The age of accumulated STR variation within hg C3, estimated using the method of Zhivotovsky et al. (2004), is about 14.9 ky or 4.1 ky depending on the mutation rate values selected for calculations (Table 3). The older time estimate is most compatible with the view that hg C3 haplotypes were present in Siberia during the Last Glacial Maximum from where the ancestors of C3b Native Americans migrated to the Beringia (Karafet et al., 2002; Zegura et al., 2004).However, as I noted in my review of the earlier paper:
A case in point is haplogroup C3b-P39; according to the authors' date, this ought to be related to the early arrival of the ancestors of Amerindians, but haplogroup C in the Americans has a strong relationship with Na-Dene speakers such as Athapaskans, and it seems to me that a late spread of this haplogroup is more consistent with its limited geographical distribution and strong linguistic associations.If C3 had spread into the Americas "early" (together with the other main haplogroup, Q), then we would expect to see it today all over the Americas (perhaps lost here and there due to drift in small populations), and in all language groups. However, this is not what we see. Hence, I am inclined to believe in the more recent spread of C3 into the Americas, together with Na-Dene speakers.
From the paper:
The median joining network of subcluster C3c appears to be complex, with several common haplotypes present in different populations (Fig. 2). Our analysis revealed that the age of this subcluster is about 5.9 ky or 1.6 ky, whereas the age of subcluster C3d appears to be younger – about 2.0 ky or 0.5 ky, depending on the mutation rate values selected.
Haplogroup C3c dominates Kalmyks, Evenks, Evens, i.e. Mongolic-Tungusic populations; C3d in Mongols, Buryats, Khamnigans (Mongolic-speakers).
As I noted in the Cohen Modal Haplotype paper, age estimation must harmonize with both the observed Y-STR variation and known demography. The key questions are: has there been enough time for haplogroup ? to accumulate so much variation, and to grow to such a population size?
Younger haplogroup ages often hit a stumbling block in trying to explain demography (hence my reservations on the CMH paper). Yet, it is much easier to consider massive demographic growth/social selection in Mongols and associated peoples, as the evidence for that growth and expansion is a part of history, and it also harmonizes with what we know about nomadic peoples.
In any case, the real age could be different than the point estimates, both due to the limitations of Y-STR markers, as well as the potential presence of outliers, in which the recently expanded group within a haplogroup dominates the age estimate.
The authors also deal with the Genghis Khan "star cluster" which is part of the paragroup C3*. Here is what they have to say:
It is suggested that this subcluster appears to have originated in Mongolia about 1 ky ago, taking into account the genealogical mutation rate (Zerjal et al., 2003). Our present and previous (Derenko et al., 2007b) studies have shown that the highest frequency of the “star cluster” in C3∗ is observed in Mongols (35%), whereas in Siberia it varies from 8% in Altaian Kazakhs and 6.5% in Buryats to less than 3% in Tuvinians, Altaians and Shors (Table S2). According to our data, the age of the “star cluster” in C3∗ is 2.8 ± 1.0 or 0.78 ± 0.27 ky, based on the evolutionary and genealogical mutation rates, respectively.
Genghis Khan flourished about 0.8ky. If we accept (as I do) the genealogical rate as closer to the truth, then the "star cluster" is related to Genghis and his male relatives, otherwise it is a completely unrelated phenomenon.
Annals of Human Genetics DOI: 10.1111/j.1469-1809.2010.00601.x
Phylogeography of the Y-chromosome haplogroup C in northern Eurasia
Boris Malyarchuk et al.
To reconstruct the phylogenetic structure of Y-chromosome haplogroup (hg) C in populations of northern Eurasia, we have analyzed the diversity of microsatellite (STR) loci in a total sample of 413 males from 18 ethnic groups of Siberia, Eastern Asia and Eastern Europe. Analysis of SNP markers revealed that all Y-chromosomes studied belong to hg C3 and its subhaplogroups C3c and C3d, although some populations (such as Mongols and Koryaks) demonstrate a relatively high input (more than 30%) of yet unidentified C3* haplotypes. Median joining network analysis of STR haplotypes demonstrates that Y-chromosome gene pools of populations studied are characterized by the presence of DNA clusters originating from a limited number of frequent founder haplotypes. These are subhaplogroup C3d characteristic for Mongolic-speaking populations, “star cluster” in C3* paragroup, and a set of DYS19 duplicated C3c Y-chromosomes. All these DNA clusters show relatively recent coalescent times (less than 3000 years), so it is probable that founder effects, including social selection resulting in high male fertility associated with a limited number of paternal lineages, may explain the observed distribution of hg C3 lineages.
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Phylogeography of the Y-chromosome haplogroup C in northern Eurasia
Boris Malyarchuk et al.
To reconstruct the phylogenetic structure of Y-chromosome haplogroup (hg) C in populations of northern Eurasia, we have analyzed the diversity of microsatellite (STR) loci in a total sample of 413 males from 18 ethnic groups of Siberia, Eastern Asia and Eastern Europe. Analysis of SNP markers revealed that all Y-chromosomes studied belong to hg C3 and its subhaplogroups C3c and C3d, although some populations (such as Mongols and Koryaks) demonstrate a relatively high input (more than 30%) of yet unidentified C3* haplotypes. Median joining network analysis of STR haplotypes demonstrates that Y-chromosome gene pools of populations studied are characterized by the presence of DNA clusters originating from a limited number of frequent founder haplotypes. These are subhaplogroup C3d characteristic for Mongolic-speaking populations, “star cluster” in C3* paragroup, and a set of DYS19 duplicated C3c Y-chromosomes. All these DNA clusters show relatively recent coalescent times (less than 3000 years), so it is probable that founder effects, including social selection resulting in high male fertility associated with a limited number of paternal lineages, may explain the observed distribution of hg C3 lineages.
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