tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post920751472729893980..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Y chromosomes in Lingayat and Vokkaliga Dravidians from SW IndiaDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-61311309632712419122013-07-31T10:14:49.863+03:002013-07-31T10:14:49.863+03:00@Nathan Paul
''Surprising Aryan Invasion T...@Nathan Paul<br />''Surprising Aryan Invasion Theorists did not jump on this. May be the data is disappointing.''<br />All the data i have researched in favor of ''Aryan Invasion'' from every article to research paper is disappointing;-).<br /><br />''The genetic ratio is along similar lines across Indian Sub continent including may be Afghanistan. <br />( Again I am not sure Afghanistan is still being classified as part of Indian Sub continent. At least it used to be)''<br />Yes Afghanistan can be considered as a part of South Asia-<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia#Geography<br />''Cricket:<br />People like Border and Wagh should motivate youngsters(with a fist) instead of being on the sidelines.''<br />Its hard but i don't see much Australian cricketers these days whom really feel proud of wearing the Baggy Green as they did 6-7 years back.<br />Good day.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-50436811657713195792013-07-30T10:51:40.952+03:002013-07-30T10:51:40.952+03:00@Dr Rob
''@Nirhajir. Davidski, why do you ...@Dr Rob<br />''@Nirhajir. Davidski, why do you think Australia is so poor in cricket now?"<br /><br />Its surely because R1a originated in India ??''<br />No! and of course are you blind? can't you read a name correctly?.<br />@Davidski<br />''Gee, I don't know, maybe Z93 is a favorable mutation for fast spin bowling?''<br />No that is absurd! it is the money which is spinning in their heads now and making them play like school boys, though it is expectable from them.<br />good day.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-82008769882706892172013-07-30T03:51:36.072+03:002013-07-30T03:51:36.072+03:00Surprising Aryan Invasion Theorists did not jump o...Surprising Aryan Invasion Theorists did not jump on this. May be the data is disappointing. <br /><br />The genetic ratio is along similar lines across Indian Sub continent including may be Afghanistan. <br />( Again I am not sure Afghanistan is still being classified as part of Indian Sub continent. At least it used to be)<br /><br /><br />Eastern India will have less L and more K* and R2<br /><br />North West ( Pak+Afghans) will have less H as Roma sent packing to Europe.<br /><br />North will have higher R1a ratio and South will have bulk of R2.<br /><br />Cricket:<br />People like Border and Wagh should motivate youngsters(with a fist) instead of being on the sidelines.<br />Nathan Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18392998104066477963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-46006925698458377802013-07-29T06:37:06.181+03:002013-07-29T06:37:06.181+03:00"As always, you make logical comments, though..."As always, you make logical comments, though I'm not sure why the 'supergroup' must necessarily be placed more close to SE Asia than at the central - south Asian corridor. Remember that population fluctuations in the prehistory of northern India might have obliterated vestiges of the groups found in SE Asia and not more western areas". <br /><br />Thank you. It is possible that population fluctuations have obliterated some haplogroups in South Asia but I suspect that is unlikely. A reasonable vatiety survive there. Obliteration is more likely in Central Eurasia during ice ages. The reason I plump for SE Asia is that the vast majority of MNOPS* haplogroups are found there. M and S in New Guinea/Melanesia, K1-P60 in Australia/New Guinea, K2-P79 in Melanesia, K3-P261 in Bali, and K* in the Timor/Flores region. O is not too far away, probably having diverged from N in Northern China. That leaves just P as the great migrator. <br /><br />"Davidski, why do you think Australia is so poor in cricket now?' <br /><br />Just good luck for everybody else, I guess. However they can still beat New Zealand. But that doesn't really count. terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-39242948532056536812013-07-27T12:35:45.198+03:002013-07-27T12:35:45.198+03:00Gee, I don't know, maybe Z93 is a favorable mu...Gee, I don't know, maybe Z93 is a favorable mutation for fast spin bowling?Davidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29185738411534706882013-07-26T11:47:57.201+03:002013-07-26T11:47:57.201+03:00TerryT
"R itself probably first formed from ...TerryT<br /><br />"R itself probably first formed from P in India even though R's relation' Q looks to have first formed somewhere northwest of India/Pakistan. R2 is found in INdia although it could be an immigrant from the north. However P is part of MNOPS which also includes K1, K2 and K3. That places the origin of the whole of that haplogroup branch somewhere close to SE Asia."<br /><br />As always, you make logical comments, though I'm not sure why the 'supergroup' must necessarily be placed more close to SE Asia than at the central - south Asian corridor. Remember that population fluctuations in the prehistory of northern India might have obliterated vestiges of the groups found in SE Asia and not more western areas. Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37206816070078257622013-07-26T09:44:37.547+03:002013-07-26T09:44:37.547+03:00@terryt
"R itself probably first formed from...@terryt<br /><br />"R itself probably first formed from P in India even though R's relation' Q looks to have first formed somewhere northwest of India/Pakistan. R2 is found in INdia although it could be an immigrant from the north. However P is part of MNOPS which also includes K1, K2 and K3. That places the origin of the whole of that haplogroup branch somewhere close to SE Asia."<br /><br />Thank you very much. So it is the origins of P which might be interesting as Q arises in the same NW direction from India as is Kurdistan. I suspect they are pretty close to Kurdistan, to the south in general. Have to look up MNOPS and K's.mmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02671574648700650962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-61466657257100682202013-07-26T07:22:17.862+03:002013-07-26T07:22:17.862+03:00@Nirhajir ". Davidski, why do you think Austr...@Nirhajir ". Davidski, why do you think Australia is so poor in cricket now?"<br /><br />Its surely because R1a originated in India ??Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-10291048527787312332013-07-25T10:55:33.348+03:002013-07-25T10:55:33.348+03:00@Davidski
Mate, just wait for the aDNA its gonna r...@Davidski<br />Mate, just wait for the aDNA its gonna rock your world!! same for Dienekes as well.<br />Good day.<br />p.s. Davidski, why do you think Australia is so poor in cricket now?<br />N.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-89349619405882039782013-07-25T07:24:15.031+03:002013-07-25T07:24:15.031+03:00"Can one say that in general R group appeared..."Can one say that in general R group appeared from Kurdistan or is it not true and it existed in indigenous populations before that?" <br /><br />R itself probably first formed from P in India even though R's relation' Q looks to have first formed somewhere northwest of India/Pakistan. R2 is found in INdia although it could be an immigrant from the north. However P is part of MNOPS which also includes K1, K2 and K3. That places the origin of the whole of that haplogroup branch somewhere close to SE Asia. terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-69162463797251105192013-07-24T15:00:46.223+03:002013-07-24T15:00:46.223+03:00They should have included the new 1000 Genomes sam...They should have included the new 1000 Genomes samples in this study. These samples provide a very useful overview of the character of R1a-Z93 in India, and how its SNP diversity decreases from near the Khyber Pass in Pakistan to Sri Lanka in the south.<br /><br />See here...<br /><br />http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/south-asian-r1a-in-1000-genomes-project_15.htmlDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-18010336085519370762013-07-24T11:10:41.528+03:002013-07-24T11:10:41.528+03:00These are indirect results, we need aDNA which wil...These are indirect results, we need aDNA which will be provided by Farmana(2500b.c.) Skeletons.<br />Good day.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-82723795450862803522013-07-23T13:19:09.163+03:002013-07-23T13:19:09.163+03:00I was wrong in previous comment - my haplogroup is...I was wrong in previous comment - my haplogroup is R1a1a1b1a2b from Genographic 2.0. kit. <br /><br />I run analysis with all DIY program calculators and they looked OK but what to do next?<br /><br />This is outside topic, but is Genographic 2.0. code considered containing not all SNPs? Or less then other tests?<br /><br />mmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02671574648700650962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-25974845601255910272013-07-23T13:15:06.838+03:002013-07-23T13:15:06.838+03:0012,8 kY definitely looks more right then 1500 BC i...12,8 kY definitely looks more right then 1500 BC if Indoeuropean R1a1a1..spread out from Kurdistan from around 10500-9500 BC.<br /><br />My Y haplogroup also starts with R1a1a1b2a1 If I remember correctly.<br /><br />Why they would change this number by applying some coefficient?<br /><br />Can one say that in general R group appeared from Kurdistan or is it not true and it existed in indigenous populations before that?<br /><br /><br /><br />mmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02671574648700650962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-11870816997815359402013-07-23T11:45:16.853+03:002013-07-23T11:45:16.853+03:00Dienekes: "It seems quite likely that R-Z93 m...Dienekes: "It seems quite likely that R-Z93 moved from Central->South Asia " <br /><br />Of course, this is a logical deduction, but I see no explicit data, *at present*, that has shown this empirically, apart from Pamjav's earlier study which noted the presence of M458 & Z 280 in Mongolians and Uzbeks. However, tiny sample (5 & 9, resp, with 3 and 1 non-Z93 samples) and cannot rule it this was caused by *later gene flow* ie colonizing modern Russians. <br /><br />have I missed something ? <br />Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07166839601638241857noreply@blogger.com