tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post8682480799761063480..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: African Y chromosome news (E1b1a and R-V88)Dienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-45009644304464777032016-07-19T04:28:58.001+03:002016-07-19T04:28:58.001+03:00"the E1b1a haplogroup, which is exclusive to ..."the E1b1a haplogroup, which is exclusive to individuals of recent African ancestry,"<br /><br />I believe this is saying it's "recent" for Africa. Therefore the premise being that it mush have originated somewhere else. <br />LJMcClainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03216494129323515638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-63678961525677034922016-05-27T11:57:07.237+03:002016-05-27T11:57:07.237+03:00R1B1 is a totally different yDNA haplo-type, so no...R1B1 is a totally different yDNA haplo-type, so no, it would not be found in a man who is the carrier of the E1B1A hallo-type.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10337863997163503312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-81426620183562834302016-04-25T18:18:43.693+03:002016-04-25T18:18:43.693+03:00Was R1b1 found in those who carry E1b1a from haplo...Was R1b1 found in those who carry E1b1a from haplogroup E? If so, were there any detection of Neanderthal genes found?YLYEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06236075514970391070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-91415077478493149232015-09-26T15:05:05.743+03:002015-09-26T15:05:05.743+03:00
This is quite interesting too:
https://arianasir...<br />This is quite interesting too:<br /><br />https://arianasiresearch.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/the-bantu-branch-of-africans-are-hebrew-israelites-part-i-of-ii/<br /><br />https://arianasiresearch.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/the-bantu-branch-of-africans-are-hebrew-israelites-part-ii-of-ii/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02968751324122587884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-62439994264310106722015-09-26T15:03:24.681+03:002015-09-26T15:03:24.681+03:00This is also interesting: https://arianasiresearch...This is also interesting: https://arianasiresearch.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/the-bantu-branch-of-africans-are-hebrew-israelites-part-i-of-ii/<br /><br />part 2: https://arianasiresearch.wordpress.com/2015/02/14/the-bantu-branch-of-africans-are-hebrew-israelites-part-ii-of-ii/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02968751324122587884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-73331360084620871142013-12-21T01:32:27.057+02:002013-12-21T01:32:27.057+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02779252712913995283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-31998669092695724922013-12-06T11:22:42.605+02:002013-12-06T11:22:42.605+02:00I follow with great interest the discussion on R1b...I follow with great interest the discussion on R1b-v88 and E1b in Africa. Origin of the founders is complex. My question to the experts: Does the confusion derives from the omission of the possible proto-populations inhabiting in what is now Saharan desert? In the past, this was a green land, full of wild life, and inhabitants left their paintings. Anthropological revision of the origin of these happlogroups may suggest a surprising possibility: as Sahara dried out and Europe became warmer, these people left the area. Is it crazy as an idea? I hope one can put some light to it. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-89267366113906944602012-08-23T12:55:29.483+03:002012-08-23T12:55:29.483+03:00>> Are there any aDNA samples from the Capsi...>> Are there any aDNA samples from the Capsian culture or other Mahgrebian sites?<br /><br />* There are none.<br /><br /><br />>> R-V88 is found in the Near East with more diversity (i.e. STR variance) than in Africa. Gonzalez et al. would have found this if they had assembled a R-V88 sample from the Near East.<br /><br />* It seems to me they're not even aware of the study that found V88 in the Near East.sidoroffshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00947879951567311038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-2397505356044989722012-08-19T23:59:52.267+03:002012-08-19T23:59:52.267+03:00Mark D, Vincent:
R-P25 and R-V88 has been found, ...Mark D, Vincent:<br /><br />R-P25 and R-V88 has been found, although at low frequencies, in Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and other parts of North Africa. But I don't know if these haplogroups are more diverse, ancient or if they are the result of recent migrations from sub-Saharan Africa.<br /><br />Again, I'm not saying it should be this way. A migration from West Asia is still the best explanation overall and González et al.'s paper has some problems.<br /><br />But an origin of the R-V88 subclade in West-Central Africa or a migration from northwest Africa would fit this paper as it is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-53166103271748063522012-08-19T20:19:06.722+03:002012-08-19T20:19:06.722+03:00A migration of Eurasian carriers of an early R1b l...<i>A migration of Eurasian carriers of an early R1b lineage that later mutated into R-V88 in Central-West Africa would be the best explanation to suit the findings of González et al. </i><br /><br />Actually, it is far more likely that R-V88 originated in SW Asia BEFORE it was transferred to Central-West Africa. R-V88 is found in the Near East with more diversity (i.e. STR variance) than in Africa. Gonzalez et al. would have found this if they had assembled a R-V88 sample from the Near East.Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00008012554198066886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-40974055344510572182012-08-19T20:18:30.522+03:002012-08-19T20:18:30.522+03:00
Actually, it is far more likely that R-V88 origi...<br /><br />Actually, it is far more likely that R-V88 originated in SW Asia BEFORE it was transferred to Central-West Africa. R-V88 is found in the Near East with more diversity (i.e. STR variance) than in Africa. Gonzalez et al. would have found this if they had assembled a R-V88 sample from the Near East.<br />Vincenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00008012554198066886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-77639624445276207372012-08-19T17:12:04.604+03:002012-08-19T17:12:04.604+03:00"All the evidence thus far points that R1b in..."All the evidence thus far points that R1b in West Africa appears 6,000-9,000 years ago, so there's no reason to believe R1b is original from Africa." Yet, this article appears to argue otherwise, at least up to a point. Clearly, R1b arose outside Africa, but from where did it arrive?<br /><br />More recently from Iberia, or 6,000 to 9,000 years ago from Northwest (or Northeast) Africa? How does the R1b in Central-West Africa compare with the R1b present today in the Mahgreb? Are there any aDNA samples from the Capsian culture or other Mahgrebian sites?Mark Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03792117663748801194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37822586792651989352012-08-19T06:55:39.995+03:002012-08-19T06:55:39.995+03:00A migration of Eurasian carriers of an early R1b l...A migration of Eurasian carriers of an early R1b lineage that later mutated into R-V88 in Central-West Africa would be the best explanation to suit the findings of González et al. The other would be a migration of already R-V88 carriers from northwest Africa or Iberia. All the evidence thus far points that R1b in West Africa appears 6,000-9,000 years ago, so there's no reason to believe R1b is original from Africa.<br /><br />According to the second paper, haplogroup E only began to become dominant across sub-Saharan Africa ~5,000 years ago, consistent with other papers (http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/26/7/1581.long). <br /><br />It seems that there was an original dispersion of E across North and West Africa that coincided with the dispersion of the Afro-Asiatic languages or probably earlier (I'm not sure when E1b1a appears in West Africa or if it's even East African in origin), and then another dispersion of E across Central, South and East Africa with the dispersion of the Bantu languages. Before the Bantu expansions, sub-Saharan Africa was a very different place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-44042368555576302122012-08-18T13:18:26.109+03:002012-08-18T13:18:26.109+03:00Hmm so R1b1c did not come down from north east Af...Hmm so R1b1c did not come down from north east Africa. The origin is said to be central West Africa (according to this paper), and in the mid Holocene which I take to be 6,000 years ago. <br /><br />But it must connect up with the other R1b1s somehow. So perhaps the parent travelled down the west coast of Africa from Iberia or North West Africa.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-75344155913857902262012-08-17T22:49:29.894+03:002012-08-17T22:49:29.894+03:00The Equatorial Guinea article is apparently behind...The Equatorial Guinea article is apparently behind a paywall, so I won't be able to check the details, but their conclusion appears to have some serious problems. <br /><br />The main ethnic group in Equatorial Guinea are the Fang, who are known to have migrated all over North-Central Africa until they settled in EG just a few centuries ago, fleeing the Fulbe. It's unsurprising that they have picked up very different lineages form different R1b areas along the way. Not only that, EG is in an Iberian colonization zone, and given Portuguese and Spanish colonial practices we might expect inter-ethnic marriages to have been widespread among colonists and traders.<br /><br />So<br /><br />a) The diversity of African-specific lineages in EG can be explained by the convoluted migratory history of the Fang; <br /><br />b) Much of the non-African specific R1b is definitely European.<br />tewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03905555876122154861noreply@blogger.com