tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post8490444633404264765..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Investigating East Asian admixture in Balkans/Anatolia/CaucasusDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-58133563436778109842012-11-15T13:16:48.530+02:002012-11-15T13:16:48.530+02:00It appears that the groups "Bulgarians_Y"...<i>It appears that the groups "Bulgarians_Y" and "Romanian_D" have rather recent admixture from the Ottoman era, if I am reading it correctly that is.</i><br /><br />It seems their recent (most probably Ottoman era) Mongoloid admixtures are invariably very small (with admixture lower bounds less than 1%). Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-57187729190532352512012-11-14T00:14:05.772+02:002012-11-14T00:14:05.772+02:00Kurds_Y samples as far as I know are taken from di...<i>Kurds_Y samples as far as I know are taken from diaspora Kurds in Kazakhstan whom originated in Azerbaijan and Northwest Iran and were deported there by Stalin. It is very likely that they did intermix with native Kazakh people.</i><br /><br />There is nothing in the Kurds_Y samples that suggests they have any admixture from Kazakhstan. They just reside in Kazakhstan, but genetically have nothing to do with Kazakhstan. They are genetically typical Kurds.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-89979061716081793662012-11-13T11:45:57.816+02:002012-11-13T11:45:57.816+02:00It is interesting that Russians have more recent a...It is interesting that Russians have more recent admixture times than other Slavs. Can it be taken as a proof of later Slavic colonization of the Russian plain? And also can ancient admixture time in French and Basques testify to Indo-European migrations?Volodymyr Lutsykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12096015411407190665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-44804251148062520492012-11-11T12:52:03.607+02:002012-11-11T12:52:03.607+02:00Thanks for very interesting analysis.
I was wonde...Thanks for very interesting analysis.<br /><br />I was wondering how can be explained such a significant difference between Georgians and Georgian_D admixture dates.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04768797187589534069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-82245929328263910262012-11-11T06:14:44.452+02:002012-11-11T06:14:44.452+02:00Dienekes,
Georgians_D have extremely early admixt...Dienekes,<br /><br />Georgians_D have extremely early admixture dates compared to the rest of the dataset, what do you think would be the explanation?<br /><br />Also, would you be interested in performing a similar analysis to detect purely European admixture dates in West Asian/Caucasus populations? Besides Ossetians, the Chechens, who possess relatively high European admixture are also an interesting case.Kartvelihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10601483256068246901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-28513740259046105422012-11-11T00:15:37.202+02:002012-11-11T00:15:37.202+02:00Thank you for the most interesting analysis. It ap...Thank you for the most interesting analysis. It appears that the groups "Bulgarians_Y" and "Romanian_D" have rather recent admixture from the Ottoman era, if I am reading it correctly that is.aspromavrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05416539355662136692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-45414617527073944422012-11-10T16:02:46.683+02:002012-11-10T16:02:46.683+02:00That's in Russian again, sorry. Turkic loanwor...That's in Russian again, sorry. Turkic loanword in North Caucasian languages.<br />http://www.dissercat.com/content/tyurkskie-leksicheskie-zaimstvovaniya-v-sisteme-severokavkazskikh-yazykov<br />"Тюркско-кавказские языковые контакты зародились в период раннего средневековья. Это подтверждается данными кавказских письменных памятников. B.JI. Гукасян, основываясь на данных грузинских источников, отмечает, что в V-VI вв. в Грузии осели гунны (оногуры, сары-огуры, савиры и др.), а с VII-VIII вв. - хазары и кыпчаки, которые в 765 г. совместно с другими тюркскими племенами Картли и Албании сражались в Грузии против арабов. С 30-х г. XI в. началось массовое переселение огузов в Закавказье под предводительством представителей династии Сельджуков. В начале XII в. сюда переселились северокавказские кыпчаки. "На протяжении более чем 1400 лет языки народов Закавказья контактировали со многими языками и диалектами кыпчакской и огузской групп, заимствовав у них тюркские слова и словообразовательный инвентарь" [Гукасян 1980, с. 25]. Однако начало тюркско-дагестанских контактов исследователи относят еще к более раннему периоду, а именно к первым векам нашей эры, ко временам вторжений на Северный Кавказ гуннов, савир, булгар, хазар и т.п. племенных объединений, в составе которых, несомненно, были и тюркоязычные группы."Valikhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13866507134402028463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79230671429653097232012-11-10T15:40:11.801+02:002012-11-10T15:40:11.801+02:00Georgians, Chechenz, Lezgins etc
http://ru.wikiped...Georgians, Chechenz, Lezgins etc<br />http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA<br />Though your dates seem to be earlier. Probably you picked a few admix events, followed one by one closely.Valikhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13866507134402028463noreply@blogger.com