tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post8182719537523036927..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: ICHG 2011 abstracts are onlineDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71268815271147456132011-09-05T07:20:38.127+03:002011-09-05T07:20:38.127+03:00"We find that the paternal-to-maternal mutati..."We find that the paternal-to-maternal mutation rate ratio is 3.3, and that the mutation rate in fathers doubles between the ages of 15 to 45 whereas there is no association to age in mothers" <br /><br />That makes it impossible that any 'molecular clock' will be found for the Y-chromosome. <br /><br />"Human-chimpanzee speciation is estimated to be 3.92-5.91 Mya, challenging views of the Toumaï fossil as dating to >6.8 Mya and being on the hominin lineage since the final separation of humans and chimpanzees". <br /><br />I thought when the Toumai fossil was first found that it could just as easily be a chimp ancestor as a human one. This date suggests it could be a common ancestor of both. <br /><br />"Our analyses suggest that major ANI-ASI mixture occurred in the ancestors of both northern and southern Indians 1,200-3,500 years ago" <br /><br />Even doubling the date only takes us back to 7000 years. This suggests that the two populations remained separated for thousands of years, unless ... Homo sapiens is not actually so very ancient in South Asia. Perhaps the South Asian population is made up of people who came in from the northwest and those from the east. The haplogroup evidence goes some way to supporting that scenario.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-15761487753777793322011-09-01T22:05:38.029+03:002011-09-01T22:05:38.029+03:00Again from the Andonian et al. abstract:
The imp...Again from the Andonian et al. abstract: <br /><br /><i>The imposition of Turkic language to the populations of north-west Iran was realized predominantly by the process of elite dominance,i.e. by the limited number of invaders who left weak traces in the patrilineal genetic history of Iranian Azeris.</i><br /><br />Based on the facts I stated in my second comment in this thread, genetic traces of the Turkic invaders must be even weaker than what the authors of this paper seem to suggest (this is true not just for Azeris, but also for Turks).<br /><br /><i>Onur, what do you mean by switching to a Turkic language? Is it only from a non-Turkic language or does it also include switching from a Turkic language?</i><br /><br />Carlos, of course I meant only switching from a non-Turkic language to a Turkic language; it is clear from the context of my statement.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26867055001842833072011-09-01T20:42:12.567+03:002011-09-01T20:42:12.567+03:00Onur, what do you mean by switching to a Turkic la...Onur, what do you mean by switching to a Turkic language? Is it only from a non-Turkic language or does it also include switching from a Turkic language?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-10713881518912670372011-09-01T13:12:45.137+03:002011-09-01T13:12:45.137+03:00and then gradually Turkified the natives of those ...<i>and then gradually Turkified the natives of those lands during the following centuries</i><br /><br />By Turkification I meant Turkicization (=switching to a Turkic language).Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-32326471522176842142011-09-01T07:42:01.891+03:002011-09-01T07:42:01.891+03:00This is probably the oldest attested Y-chromosome ...<i>This is probably the oldest attested Y-chromosome lineage currently available.</i><br /><br />The (relatively rare)I2b2 of the Lichtenstein cave from 3,000 years ago was found in 5 of 220 locals tested. Of course, that is just indirect evidence.eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-43625686328903586422011-09-01T06:12:35.606+03:002011-09-01T06:12:35.606+03:00Iranian Azeris demonstrate much weaker genetic res...<i>Iranian Azeris demonstrate much weaker genetic resemblance with Turkmens (as putative source population) than with their geographic neighbors</i><br /><br />The Turkic source population (=the Turkic population that invaded what is now Turkmenistan, present-day Azeri lands and Anatolia) isn't present-day Turkmens nor can it be represented by present-day Turkmens, who are themselves the result of mixture in the centuries following the Seljuq invasion between the Turkic source population and Iranian natives of what is now Turkmenistan (what is now Turkmenistan was almost exclusively Iranian prior to the Seljuq invasion) thus clearly must have less Mongoloid than the Turkic source population has. The Turkic source population lived almost exclusively in what is now Kazakhstan until the Seljuq invasion, so we need to look at Kazakhstan (both through modern and ancient DNA studies) to find out the Turkic source population, which invaded with the Seljuqs in the twinkling of an eye what is now Turkmenistan, present-day Azeri lands and Anatolia in the 11th century and then gradually Turkified the natives of those lands during the following centuries.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7230898009596946432011-09-01T00:47:19.327+03:002011-09-01T00:47:19.327+03:00Our analyses suggest that major ANI-ASI mixture oc...<i>Our analyses suggest that major ANI-ASI mixture occurred in the ancestors of both northern and southern Indians 1,200-3,500 years ago, overlapping the time when Indo-European languages first began to be spoken in the subcontinent.</i><br /><br />That may explain why there is still significant and consistent genetic difference between the castes of a certain region in terms of ANI-ASI ratio in South Asia (especially in the southern and central regions). If the major ANI-ASI mixture occurred in South Asia thousands of years before the Aryan invasion, ANI-ASI ratio differences should be expected to be less or even non related to the caste system, which is almost certainly a legacy of the Aryan invasion.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7891580864950373912011-08-31T20:12:23.319+03:002011-08-31T20:12:23.319+03:00Here's another interesting abstract:
http://ww...Here's another interesting abstract:<br />http://www.ichg2011.org/cgi-bin/ichg11s?abst=R1b&sort=ptimes&sbutton=Detail&absno=11561&sid=887748pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.com