tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post8109799285019206236..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: European hunter-gatherers acquired pigs with Near Eastern and European mtDNADienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-86783830152577289532013-08-29T22:46:58.245+03:002013-08-29T22:46:58.245+03:00"Kind of reminds me of voyaging sailors who l..."Kind of reminds me of voyaging sailors who left a pair of pigs on every island as a source of meat."<br /><br />Or Goats.<br /><br />I know of 2 historical novels and 1 real story, in wich shipwrecked Europeans survive by eating goats, wich had been put on the island by sailors.<br /><br />Treasure Island: Ben Gun survives by feeding on goats put on the island by sailors.<br /><br />Robinson Crusoe: Robinson feeds on goats, put there by sailors. Strange that in all the 26 years he is on the island, nobody comes there to get the meat.<br /><br />True story: Alexander Selkirk feeds on goats put on his island by sailors. (He was interviewed by Daniel Defoe before he wrote "Robinson Crusoe". Many things Alexander did, went into the novel)Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29674209644538488192013-08-29T04:54:16.485+03:002013-08-29T04:54:16.485+03:00"But if they stay half way stationary, wander..."But if they stay half way stationary, wandering hunters and gathers could have scheduled their resource way-points more reliable" <br /><br />They don't actually stay very 'stationary' at all. Wild pigs are common in many New Zealand forests, both as wild bred and domestic escapes. And hunting them is quite hard work, usually requiring dogs. On islands of course pigs cannot move very far and soon strip resources and are easily found. Hence 'voyaging sailors who left a pair of pigs on every island' were quite onto it. terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-85731080360583132192013-08-28T18:39:51.789+03:002013-08-28T18:39:51.789+03:00Kind of reminds me of voyaging sailors who left a ...Kind of reminds me of voyaging sailors who left a pair of pigs on every island as a source of meat. <br />I am not familiar with the behavior of domestic pigs. But if they stay half way stationary, wandering hunters and gathers could have scheduled their resource way-points more reliable, instead of going after a more dangerous pack of wild boars.Katharóshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16649693310029639154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-13700759245883662842013-08-28T18:33:35.674+03:002013-08-28T18:33:35.674+03:00Domestic pigs often escape and breed with wild one...Domestic pigs often escape and breed with wild ones, even today. It seems to me that hunter-gatherers could hunt the result of this process. So are they trading for these pigs, raising them, or just doing what they had always been doing and hunting pigs in the woods? Maybe we can't tell from the evidence that we have?<br />Mark Moore (Moderator)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17386056132530808723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-62344457394612576572013-08-28T13:14:59.052+03:002013-08-28T13:14:59.052+03:00Very nice paper.
One interesting question is whet...Very nice paper.<br /><br />One interesting question is whether the Ertebølle folks routinely traded for young domesticated pigs to raise them to slaughter age, or whether they were more like a novelty food. Interestingly, since at least the Bronze Age, for cattle it was the opposite: young calfs, surplus no longer needed for local milk production, were driven south from Jutland to all over Friesland for using the ample grasslands, there. Of course, one has to keep in mind that the Ertebølle area mostly had very poor soils, but access to very rich maritime resources, on the other hand.<br /><br />Protection from the elements in the winter was likely minimal, so Northern European pig admixture would have been a highly likely ingredient for survival, anyway. eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.com