tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post785899766888336044..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: King Tutunkhamun's DNA in doubtDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-20812164173122205442015-10-22T16:29:18.819+03:002015-10-22T16:29:18.819+03:00Cameroon also different from other africans and be...Cameroon also different from other africans and believed to shared similar native tongues as Buddah (TAMIL ).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17368750986881243834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7276004062162036502011-02-21T02:06:12.550+02:002011-02-21T02:06:12.550+02:00The dubt is not for the Tutankhamen Haplogroup tha...The dubt is not for the Tutankhamen Haplogroup that was not tested. It was about if they really compound a well Pedigree as a Royal family; for this we need to be sampled the all royal mummy mtDNA like said Eline D. Lorenzen. The great question is ultimately about Smenkhkare. <br />The body found buried in tomb KV55 was likely the father of Tutankhamun, spouse of the Younger Lady of KV35, and the son of Amenhotep III and queen Tiye. The age of the mummy is mostly given as that of 18-21 years of age at death, based on numerous studies in the past- but not 35 or more years-. The recent genetic study has claimed the body KV55 as that of Akhenaten.<br />Scholars identify the male Smenkhkare as an older close relative of Tutankhamun, with both classified as either sons or sons-in-law of Akhenaten. One theory holds that Smenkhkare was Akhenaten's male lover as well as co-regent –with bisexual behavior-, due to images found where a male (believed to be Smenkhkare) was depicted beside Akhenaten in a manner very similar to how Nefertiti was shown in earlier records. Some believe that the figure is meant to be Nefertiti, or one of Akhenaten's daughters, who took the place of her mother in the religious and political hierarchy due to the necessity of both roles in Atenism (after the theoretical death of Nefertiti). The figure is not dressed in a manner typical of the way the females in Akhenaten's family were depicted. Its clothing is more similar to Akhenaten's garments.<br />Though this statement will be subject to discussion for a while, as some still think the age estimates are against Akhenaten, and support the identification as Smenkhkare instead.<br />Remember also that, the idea of Akhenaten as the pioneer of a monotheistic religion that later became Judaism has been considered by various scholars. One of the first to mention this was Sigmund Freud, the founder of Psychoanalysis, in his book Moses and Monotheism. Freud argued that Moses had been an Atenist priest forced to leave Egypt with his followers after Akhenaten's death. Freud argued that Akhenaten was striving to promote monotheism, something that the biblical Moses was able to achieve.<br />Following his book, the concept entered popular consciousness and serious research. Others in fact believe that Akhenaten. Was Moses.<br /><br />Dr. H. H.O. C.<br />Argentina.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88518143714976030662011-02-20T07:28:52.896+02:002011-02-20T07:28:52.896+02:00If the Y-STR values are legit, an alternative expl...<i>If the Y-STR values are legit, an alternative explanation is that the ancient DNA is not authentic but represents a European contaminant.</i><br /><br />Don't you think that the original researchers would have taken the risk of contamination into account and made sure to take precautions to prevent it?Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-8454683044668279212011-02-14T10:02:33.537+02:002011-02-14T10:02:33.537+02:00Andrada
western science and fictional narrative o...Andrada<br /> western science and fictional narrative of history was conceived in sin and born in crime. If anyone doubts it read the unapologetic racist founders of this utterly fraudulent and degenerate narrative. The illegitimate children of the racist cult/civilization expect the rest of humanity to follow suit in their blonde fetishes and bow their heads at some nordic alter. Their vanity, avarice and greed has brought humanity to the brink of moral bankruptcy and environmental catastrophe. They are like headless chicken running around aimlessly, because they lack any "genetic" memory and connection to authentic tradition. Unless the new generation of perhaps well meaning scholars develop an ethical code in the western academics and make a clean break from the original narrative of self-appropriation, blundering, and theft they will continue to reduce the ancients to gibberish and humanity to monkeys. In the meanwhile, the rest of humanity should continue to hold their finger in the dyke until the waves sophisticated brutes and the hour of their good fortune passes. <br /><br /> As for, egypt I hope their days of subservience to this demonic cult(this is ultimately what racism is)has passed, if so the days of pyramid pimps like hawass are numbered. I challenge modern egyptians who have inherited the land to come to the cushitic cultures of the horn and they will find the remnants of its foundation, or they will never achieve any true rebirth beyond pimping stones and pictures of the past. It does not matter wether they are light skinned or dark, its about being true to what you claim, or remaining an empty meaningless shell unable to make sense of the present or the past. <br /><br />I made a general statement, but I think it needs to be said. its more useful then arguing with the likes of goiello about the details without addressing first the corrupt foundation of western academia and its bitter harvest for humanity in general.Afriqashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08393248315254785072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-41813503348346602132011-02-14T06:04:21.173+02:002011-02-14T06:04:21.173+02:00Probably the best case to be made for the bizarre-...Probably the best case to be made for the bizarre- <br />unprecendented to put it frankly-<br /> completely nonsensical refusal to release the BASIC data relating to the Tut genetics,<br /><br />====IS THAT TUT IS R1b,==== <br /><br />and this clearly is not to the liking of Egyptian authorities.<br />To withold basic information, that without it, essentially negates the entire study from any informational perspective, is a huge red flag.<br />To even bother to withhold the Tut STR's makes no sense, but to adamantly refuse to either release or merely COMMENT on the Tut haplogroup while publishing what are data-less papers,<br /><br />is pretty clear indication that they have a result they dont want to in any way publicize, and we already have a pretty good idea of what that is going to be.<br /><br />Hawass is alleged to have given a breifing back when this originally was taken public, at which he told foreign archaeological staff and students a tale about Tut being proven to be the son of a contemoprary 'greek' diplomat to the Pharoahs court,<br />which sounds a lot like they were sounding-out various ways of selling Tuts results.<br /><br />In the end, they dealt with them by HIDING THEM. Anyone who knows Hawass, knows that releasing anything that he told you not to,<br />will not only end your permission to dig in Egypt permanently, you will not be able to even get into egypt by the time he is done with you.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15591408569536558552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-64095931279479111562011-02-11T00:51:58.863+02:002011-02-11T00:51:58.863+02:00I am very much an amateur, but I think that I know...I am very much an amateur, but I think that I know enough about human genetics to state confidently that belonging to haplogroup R1b cannot be correlated directly with any standard racial classification. There are a lot of other genes that determine human characteristics associated with racisl phenotyping (including genes for hair, skin, and eye color), and I did not see these discussed in the original source. What I did see in the comments was a lapse into racially charged profiling from several quarters. Even in this day and age, what "race" the ancient Egyptians were continues to generate controversy, much of which is patently absurd.formerjerseyboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12359486237718341127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-55947014549852984892011-02-09T00:20:56.032+02:002011-02-09T00:20:56.032+02:00In ancient Egypt, color was an integral part of th...In ancient Egypt, color was an integral part of the substance and being of everything in life. The color of something was a clue to the substance or heart of the matter. When it was said that one could not know the color of the gods, it meant that they themselves were unknowable, and could never be completely understood. <br />In art, colors were clues to the nature of the beings depicted in the work. For instance, when Amon was portrayed with blue skin, it alluded to his cosmic aspect. Osiris' green skin was a reference to his power over vegetation and to his own resurrection.<br />Of course, not every use of color in Egyptian art was symbolic. When overlapping objects, such as when portraying a row of oxen, the colors of each animal is alternated so as to differentiate each individual beast. Apart from these practical considerations though, it is safe to say that the Egyptian use of color in their art was largely symbolic.<br />The Egyptian artist had at his disposal six colors: green, yellow, blue, red, and also including black and white. These colors were generated largely from mineral compounds and thus retain their vibrancy over the millennia. Each of these colors had their own intrinsic symbolic meaning, as shown below. However, the ambivalence of meaning demonstrated by some should be carefully noted.<br />The color green (wadj) was the color of vegetation and new life. To do "green things" was slang for beneficial, life-producing behavior. As mentioned above, Osiris was often portrayed with green skin and was also referred to as "the Great Green". Green malachite was a symbol of joy and the land of the blessed dead was described as the "field of malachite." In Chapter 77 of the Book of the Dead, it is said that the deceased will become a falcon "whose wings are of green stone". Highly impractical of course, it is obvious that the color of new life and re-birth is what is important. The Eye of Horus amulet was commonly made of green stone as well. <br />Red (desher) was the color of life and of victory Red was also a symbol of anger and fire. Seth, the god who stood at the prow of the sun's barque and slew the serpent Apep daily, had red eyes and hair. The normal skin tone of Egyptian men was depicted as red, without any negative connotation. The color white (hedj and shesep) suggested omnipotence and purity. Due to its lack of color white was also the color of simple and sacred things. In ancient Egypt, black (kem) was a symbol of death and of the night.<br />The color yellow (khenet, kenit) for example was related to the skin and bones of the Gods were believed to be made of gold, eternal and indestructible. Osiris and Anubis., both are divine beings and both have golden skin. Both the sun and gold were yellow and shared the qualities of being imperishable. Blue (irtiu, sbedj) Blue was symbolic of the sky and of water. In a cosmic sense, this extended its symbolism to the heavens and of the primeval floods. In both of these cases, blue took on a meaning of life and re-birth. Amon was often shown with a blue face to symbolize his role in the creation of the world. The pharoahs were sometimes shown with blue faces as well when they became identified with Amon, also the god Anubis have blue hair.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-12143169592557278582011-02-09T00:19:40.636+02:002011-02-09T00:19:40.636+02:00About the eye colors, this can’t be seen by the ST...About the eye colors, this can’t be seen by the STRs tested (in Hawass work) or also a SNP of the Y chromosome –not performed-, and we can’t say anything about, more when there were not done any assays over it.<br />There are about 16 different genes responsible for eye color, it is mostly attributed to two adjacent genes on chromosome 15, hect domain and RCC1-like domain-containing protein 2 (HERC2) and ocular albinism (that is, oculocutaneous albinism II (OCA2)). An intron in HERC2 contains the promoter region for OCA2, affecting its expression. Therefore, singlenucleotide polymorphisms SNP in either of these two genes have a large role in the eye color of an individual. Furthermore, with all genetic expression, aberration also occurs. Some individuals may express two phenotypes—one in each eye—or a complete lack of pigmentation, ocular albinism. We could say that a conserved regulatory element within intron 86 of the HERC2 gene that is perfectly associated with the brown/blue eye color, in studied individuals from Denmark, Turkey and Jordan. This element had an inhibitory eVect on the OCA2 promoter activity in cell cultures, and the blue and the brown alleles were shown to bind non-identical subsets of nuclear extracts. In total, all these data strongly support a model where the blue eye color in humans is caused by homozygosity of the rs12913832*G allele.<br />In ancient Egypt, color was an integral part of the substance and being of everything in life. The color of something was a clue to the substance or heart of the matter. When it was said that one could not know the color of the gods, it meant that they themselves were unknowable, and could never be completely understood. <br />In art, colors were clues to the nature of the beings depicted in the work. For instance, when Amon was portrayed with blue skin, it alluded to his cosmic aspect. Osiris' green skin was a reference to his power over vegetation and to his own resurrection.<br />Of course, not every use of color in Egyptian art was symbolic. When overlapping objects, such as when portraying a row of oxen, the colors of each animal is alternated so as to differentiate each individual beast. Apart from these practical considerations though, it is safe to say that the Egyptian use of color in their art was largely symbolic.<br />The Egyptian artist had at his disposal six colors: green, yellow, blue, red, and also including black and white. These colors were generated largely from mineral compounds and thus retain their vibrancy over the millennia. Each of these colors had their own intrinsic symbolic meaning, as shown below. However, the ambivalence of meaning demonstrated by some should be carefully noted.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-78313907918785485962011-02-04T00:59:47.700+02:002011-02-04T00:59:47.700+02:00Well that, Apostate, fits with other mummys found ...Well that, Apostate, fits with other mummys found in North Africa. Seems to have been a a very cosmopolitan area, as I said.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-61974214235802136112011-02-03T18:52:12.575+02:002011-02-03T18:52:12.575+02:00The mummies of two of the primary women in the inv...The mummies of two of the primary women in the investigation of Tutankhamun's genetics lie stored behind a brick wall in KV35 rather, surpassing all understanding, stored at the Cairo Museum. The mummies are those of Tiyi and Nefertiti, known as the "elder woman" and the "younger woman" respectively. Zahi Hawas went ballistic when Joann Fletcher identified the younger mummy as Nefertiti even though Marianne Luban had done so in 1999. Hair from the "alder Lady" was compared to a lock of Tiyi's hair in a small gold casket placed in Tut's tomb and found to be the same. The genetic finding that Tut's parents were brother and sister could also be consistent with my opinion that Ut was the son of Tity and Amenhotep III, hence Akhenaton's brother, not his son. There is something very political and agenda driven in the sloppy science in this case.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891697132565937396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-27828692478950137032011-02-03T06:57:08.783+02:002011-02-03T06:57:08.783+02:00Here are some more quotes from authors of the 19th...Here are some more quotes from authors of the 19th and 20th centuries on the racial features of ancient Egyptians.<br /><br />“The tomb of the wife of Zoser, the builder of the first pyramid in Egypt, has a painting of her showing her with reddish-blond hair.” (‘The Ra Expeditions’, Thor Heyerdahl, Garden City, Doubleday, 1971, p.249)<br /><br />"A funerary mask with the attributes of the goddess Isis shows a vivid blue-green color of eyes.” (‘A General Introduction to the Egyptian Collections in the British Museum’, London, Harrison and Sons, 1930, p.49)<br /><br />“The mummy of the wife of King Tutankhamen has auburn hair.” (‘Tutankhamen, The Golden Monarch’, Michael Carter, N.Y. 1972 p.68)<br /><br />“Red-haired mummies were found in the crocodile-caverns of Aboufaida.” (‘Remarks on Mr. Flinders Petries Collection of Ethnographic Types from the Monuments of Egypt’, Henry George Tomkins, Journal of the Anthropological Institute of Great Britain and Ireland Vol. XVIIII, 1889, p.216)<br /><br />“A blond mummy was found at Kawamil along with many chestnut-colored ones.” (‘L'Aryen, Sa Vie Sociale’, De Lapouge, G. Vacher,. Paris, Pichat, 1899, p.26)<br /><br />“Amenhotep III's tomb painting shows him as having light red hair.” (‘Ancient Egypt, Discovering its Splendors’, National Geographic Society, 1978 p.103)<br /><br />“An Egyptian scribe named Sakkarah around 2500 B.C. has blue eyes.” (‘Life of the Ancient Egyptians’, Eugen Strouhal, Norman, Oklahoma, University of Oklahoma Press, 1992, p.53)<br /><br />“A common good luck charm was the eye of Horus, the so-called Wedjat Eye. The eye is always blue, and the word "wedjat" means "blue" in Egyptian. Queen Thi is painted as having a rosy complexion, blue eyes and blond hair.” (‘Races Humaines de la Vallee du Nil’, E.T. Hamy, Bulletin de la Societe d'Anthropologie de Paris, 1886, p.739)<br /><br />“Paintings from the Third Dynasty show native Egyptians with red hair and blue eyes.” (‘Historia del Arte Vol III’, Jose Pijoan, Madrid, Espasa-Calpe, 1932, plate XI)<br /><br />“The god Nuit was painted as white and blond.”(‘Le Nil et la Societe Egyptienne’, H. Champollion, Marseille, Musee Boreby, 1973 p.94)<br /><br />“A painting from Iteti's tomb at Saqqara shows a very Nordic-looking man with blond hair.” (‘Painting, Sculpture and Architecture of Ancient Egypt’, Wolfhart Westendorf, New York, Harry N. Abrams, Inc. 1968 p.65)<br /><br />Quotes were found here: http://www.white-history.com/hwr8.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-81098625235217498772011-02-01T02:04:11.200+02:002011-02-01T02:04:11.200+02:00Since we are nit-picking...
Elizabeth the II '...Since we are nit-picking...<br /><br />Elizabeth the II 's mother was largely British, but her Royal father was almost as German as it is possible for a royal to be (House of Hanover). His closest ethnically British ancestor was James the VI and I (1566-1627, House of Stuart), and even his mother was half French (Mary Queen of Scots). <br /><br />To get back to a single, mostly ethnically British ancestor, you have to go back almost 500 years to Mary Queen of Scots husband (and cousin), Henry Stuart (Lord Darnley).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-20514264504892729292011-01-31T18:19:10.653+02:002011-01-31T18:19:10.653+02:00I think people are still putting too much faith in...I think people are still putting too much faith in a screen shot that was most likely a control sample. Going from the actual technical data that was released its pretty clear to see not much can be done with only 2 STR's. King Tut carrying the most common lineage in Western Europe I believe is more wishful thinking that some would WANT to be true, versus something those same people actually BELIEVE to be true.<br /><br />Quotes from user "apostateimpressions123" gives examples of this old type thinking on Africa that has yet to be obsolete. The "Dynastic Theory" was pretty much done away with. I dont see how anyone that that has studied the least bit of Egyptian history, or simply population migration and origin would submit to a theory even more fringe than the Dynastic Theory - that King Tut carried the most common lineage in Western Europe.<br /><br />Sure anything is POSSIBLE, but to make the assumption: Tut=R1b1b2a1 based on such flimsy non official evidence as a screen shot speaks of old attitudes supported by those earlier quotes.astenbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06946446840115831804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-15421013903736932011-01-31T01:01:29.898+02:002011-01-31T01:01:29.898+02:00What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like...What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like R1b, where the mutation is defined at “M343 R1b in the broadest sense”, and one phylogenetic type like R1b M269+ or (R1b1b2*) that is the most common haplogroup in individuals of European descent, that includes as well other mutation at M269 position. Also R1b reaches a frequency of over 90% in parts of Iberia and Western Ireland and decreases eastward towards the Near East, although is present in parts of Central Asia. R1b has always been considered a marker of Paleolithic European hunter-gatherer ancestry. Another variant of R1b are common in West Africa like the Hausa from Sudan, and people of Cameroon as well as another places and peoples in the world.<br />But with the Y-STR that appears in the original study we can’t say anything about your relation with R or E or other macro Haplogroup. <br />There are some probability with others markers of accuracy odd conclusions like Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) or haplotype 15 that is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b at relatively high frequency, like DYS388 (12) DYS390 (24) DYS391 (11) DYS392 (13) DYS393 (13) DYS394 (14 ), in parenthesis the number core repeat. You say, “People who liked at Tut's alleged Y-STR values from screencaps have concluded that he belonged to haplogroup R1b; as this is a rare haplogroup in Egypt, and frequent in Europe, it has sparked debate about his origins”.<br />This is not true at all sense you seen, more when the STRs are not well markers in ancient DNA, for the broke number core repeat; and you could not know nothing about Y haplogroups that just are SNP like Rb1 or E3b for example. Also you say “alternative explanation is that the ancient DNA is not authentic but represents a European contaminant If the Y-STR values are legit”<br />If you see the original article they say “Negative and blank extraction controls were processed along with each sample. In addition, water and other aqueous polymerase chain reaction (PCR) components were monitored using the sensitive internal-Alu-PCR protocol16 to assess contamination with modern human DNA” and they include for test “Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem Repeats DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4,<br />DYS437, DYS438, DYS448”…. And too 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome D13S317 D7S820 D2S1338 D21S11 D16S539 D18S51 CSF1PO FGA. Remind that the staff of the laboratories were testing as well. Yes how says Lorenzen, it need be done assays over mtDNA. <br />With that, you could not say everything about you are telling us, that is more disinformation like the work of Hawass et al, that you display. Don’t worry for the case who are the Haplogroup, E3b or Rb1 or other else, but if we can known the answer we need how you say, “In any case, I hope that as much data as possible about the case is released, so that everyone can make an informed assessment”.<br />Dr. H.H.O.C.<br />Argentina.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-20628560551615011922011-01-31T00:58:38.941+02:002011-01-31T00:58:38.941+02:00A note on Byzantine emperors: Byzantine emperors t...A note on Byzantine emperors: Byzantine emperors themselves were highly admixed with various ethnic groups of Europe and West Asia. In fact, some of Byzantine emperors had no Greek blood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-10145691449955054322011-01-30T23:55:21.543+02:002011-01-30T23:55:21.543+02:00What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like...What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like R1b, where the mutation is defined at “M343 R1b in the broadest sense”, and one phylogenetic type like R1b M269+ or (R1b1b2*) that is the most common haplogroup in individuals of European descent, that includes as well other mutation at M269 position. Also R1b reaches a frequency of over 90% in parts of Iberia and Western Ireland and decreases eastward towards the Near East, although is present in parts of Central Asia. R1b has always been considered a marker of Paleolithic European hunter-gatherer ancestry. Another variant of R1b are common in West Africa like the Hausa from Sudan, and people of Cameroon as well as another places and peoples in the world.<br />But with the Y-STR that appears in the original study we can’t say anything about your relation with R or E or other macro Haplogroup. <br />There are some probability with others markers of accuracy odd conclusions like Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) or haplotype 15 that is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b at relatively high frequency, like DYS388 (12) DYS390 (24) DYS391 (11) DYS392 (13) DYS393 (13) DYS394 (14 ), in parenthesis the number core repeat. You say, “People who liked at Tut's alleged Y-STR values from screencaps have concluded that he belonged to haplogroup R1b; as this is a rare haplogroup in Egypt, and frequent in Europe, it has sparked debate about his origins”.<br />This is not true at all sense you seen, more when the STRs are not well markers in ancient DNA, for the broke number core repeat; and you could not know nothing about Y haplogroups that just are SNP like Rb1 or E3b for example. Also you say “alternative explanation is that the ancient DNA is not authentic but represents a European contaminant If the Y-STR values are legit”<br />If you see the original article they say “Negative and blank extraction controls were processed along with each sample. In addition, water and other aqueous polymerase chain reaction (PCR) components were monitored using the sensitive internal-Alu-PCR protocol16 to assess contamination with modern human DNA” and they include for test “Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem Repeats DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4,<br />DYS437, DYS438, DYS448”…. And too 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome D13S317 D7S820 D2S1338 D21S11 D16S539 D18S51 CSF1PO FGA. Remind that the staff of the laboratories were testing as well. Yes how says Lorenzen, it need be done assays over mtDNA. <br />With that, you could not say everything about you are telling us, that is more disinformation like the work of Hawass et al, that you display.<br />In our country with huge RT-PCR multiplex doing for recover more than 200 children by “Madres” and “Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo”, and with the kidnapper military peak in jail for ever –only land in the world- . A country with a large number of Scientifics and a lot of them with international prizes including 5 Nobel prizes and great careers here and there. So a new free country, with a really thought freedom, that the economy increases at 9% annual for 8 years consecutively , with only 800.000 inhabitants in 1890 and now 40.100.000 –census Dec. 2010- first –more than USA in proportions- by immigrations from all Europe and the World. We could not understand the government in Egypt, persecuting Christian Coptos from Alexandria and other places because they carry the high E3b markers in Egypt –and could be descendant partially from Jews-, like carried too the Jews Ashkenazim or Ethiopians too as well.<br /><br />Argentina.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-3825612431477303362011-01-30T23:05:08.583+02:002011-01-30T23:05:08.583+02:00What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like...What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like R1b, where the mutation is defined at “M343 R1b in the broadest sense”, and one phylogenetic type like R1b M269+ or (R1b1b2*) that is the most common haplogroup in individuals of European descent, that includes as well other mutation at M269 position. Also R1b reaches a frequency of over 90% in parts of Iberia and Western Ireland and decreases eastward towards the Near East, although is present in parts of Central Asia. R1b has always been considered a marker of Paleolithic European hunter-gatherer ancestry. Another variant of R1b are common in West Africa like the Hausa from Sudan, and people of Cameroon as well as another places and peoples in the world.<br />But with the Y-STR that appears in the original study we can’t say anything about your relation with R or E or other macro Haplogroup. <br />There are some probability with others markers of accuracy odd conclusions like Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) or haplotype 15 that is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b at relatively high frequency, like DYS388 (12) DYS390 (24) DYS391 (11) DYS392 (13) DYS393 (13) DYS394 (14 ), in parenthesis the number core repeat. You say, “People who liked at Tut's alleged Y-STR values from screencaps have concluded that he belonged to haplogroup R1b; as this is a rare haplogroup in Egypt, and frequent in Europe, it has sparked debate about his origins”.<br />This is not true at all sense you seen, more when the STRs are not well markers in ancient DNA, for the broke number core repeat; and you could not know nothing about Y haplogroups that just are SNP like Rb1 or E3b for example. Also you say “alternative explanation is that the ancient DNA is not authentic but represents a European contaminant If the Y-STR values are legit”<br />If you see the original article they say “Negative and blank extraction controls were processed along with each sample. In addition, water and other aqueous polymerase chain reaction (PCR) components were monitored using the sensitive internal-Alu-PCR protocol16 to assess contamination with modern human DNA” and they include for test “Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem Repeats DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4,<br />DYS437, DYS438, DYS448”…. And too 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome D13S317 D7S820 D2S1338 D21S11 D16S539 D18S51 CSF1PO FGA. Remind that the staff of the laboratories were testing as well. Yes how says Lorenzen, it need be done assays over mtDNA. <br />With that, you could not say everything about you are telling us, that is more disinformation like the work of Hawass et al, that you display.<br />In our country with huge RT-PCR multiplex doing for recover more than 200 children by “Madres” and “Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo”, and with the kidnapper military peak in jail for ever –only land in the world- . A country with a large number of Scientifics and a lot of them with international prizes including 5 Nobel prizes and great careers here and there. So a new free country, with a really thought freedom, that the economy increases at 9% annual for 8 years consecutively , with only 800.000 inhabitants in 1890 and now 40.100.000 –census Dec. 2010- first –more than USA in proportions- by immigrations from all Europe and the World. We could not understand the government in Egypt, persecuting Christian Coptos from Alexandria and other places because they carry the high E3b markers in Egypt –and could be descendant partially from Jews-, like carried too the Jews Ashkenazim or Ethiopians too as well.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-30361220641896574722011-01-30T22:39:45.536+02:002011-01-30T22:39:45.536+02:00What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like...What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like R1b, where the mutation is defined at “M343 R1b in the broadest sense”, and one phylogenetic type like R1b M269+ or (R1b1b2*) that is the most common haplogroup in individuals of European descent, that includes as well other mutation at M269 position. Also R1b reaches a frequency of over 90% in parts of Iberia and Western Ireland and decreases eastward towards the Near East, although is present in parts of Central Asia. R1b has always been considered a marker of Paleolithic European hunter-gatherer ancestry. Another variant of R1b are common in West Africa like the Hausa from Sudan, and people of Cameroon as well as another places and peoples in the world.<br />But with the Y-STR that appears in the original study we can’t say anything about your relation with R or E or other macro Haplogroup. <br />There are some probability with others markers of accuracy odd conclusions like Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) or haplotype 15 that is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b at relatively high frequency, like DYS388 (12) DYS390 (24) DYS391 (11) DYS392 (13) DYS393 (13) DYS394 (14 ), in parenthesis the number core repeat. You say, “People who liked at Tut's alleged Y-STR values from screencaps have concluded that he belonged to haplogroup R1b; as this is a rare haplogroup in Egypt, and frequent in Europe, it has sparked debate about his origins”.<br />This is not true at all sense you seen, more when the STRs are not well markers in ancient DNA, for the broke number core repeat; and you could not know nothing about Y haplogroups that just are SNP like Rb1 or E3b for example. Also you say “alternative explanation is that the ancient DNA is not authentic but represents a European contaminant If the Y-STR values are legit”<br />If you see the original article they say “Negative and blank extraction controls were processed along with each sample. In addition, water and other aqueous polymerase chain reaction (PCR) components were monitored using the sensitive internal-Alu-PCR protocol16 to assess contamination with modern human DNA” and they include for test “Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem Repeats DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4,<br />DYS437, DYS438, DYS448”…. And too 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome D13S317 D7S820 D2S1338 D21S11 D16S539 D18S51 CSF1PO FGA. Remind that the staff of the laboratories were testing as well. Yes how says Lorenzen, it need be done assays over mtDNA. <br />With that, you could not say everything about you are telling us, that is more disinformation like the work of Hawass et al, that you display.<br />In our country with huge RT-PCR multiplex doing for recover more than 200 children by “Madres” and “Abuelas de Plaza de Mayo”, and with the kidnapper military peak in jail for ever –only land in the world- . A country with a large number of Scientifics and a lot of them with international prizes including 5 Nobel prizes and great careers here and there. So a new free country, with a really thought freedom, that the economy increases at 9% annual for 8 years consecutively , with only 800.000 inhabitants in 1890 and now 40.100.000 –census Dec. 2010- first –more than USA in proportions- by immigrations from all Europe and the World. We could not understand the government in Egypt, persecuting Christian Coptos from Alexandria and other places because they carry the high E3b markers in Egypt –and could be descendant partially from Jews-, like carried too the Jews Ashkenazim or Ethiopians too as well.<br /><br />A Biochemist Dr. from Argentina.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-81598429045428582332011-01-30T22:08:10.093+02:002011-01-30T22:08:10.093+02:00"All the quotes are 20th century"
And..."All the quotes are 20th century" <br /><br />And early during it. From a time when many European people in New Zealand believed that the Polynesians must have had 'Nordic' ancestry. They were not prepared to believe that a bunch of South Sea Island 'savages' could have achieved such voyages of discovery. The quotes display a similar mind set. I'm not denying that there may have been some contribution to ancient Egyptian 'civilisation' from Southwest Asia though.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-27486668105510794022011-01-30T08:25:57.603+02:002011-01-30T08:25:57.603+02:00What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like...What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like R1b, where the mutation is defined at “M343 R1b in the broadest sense”, and one phylogenetic type like R1b M269+ or (R1b1b2*) that is the most common haplogroup in individuals of European descent, that includes as well other mutation at M269 position. Also R1b reaches a frequency of over 90% in parts of Iberia and Western Ireland and decreases eastward towards the Near East, although is present in parts of Central Asia. R1b has always been considered a marker of Paleolithic European hunter-gatherer ancestry. Another variant of R1b are common in West Africa like the Sudan Hausa, and Cameroon as well as another places and peoples in the world.<br />But with the Y-STR that appears in the original study we can’t say anything about your relation with R or E or other macro Haplogroup , there are some probability with others markers of accuracy odd conclusions like Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) or haplotype 15 that is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b at relatively high frequency, like DYS388 (12) DYS390 (24) DYS391 (11) DYS392 (13) DYS393 (13) DYS394 (14 ), in parenthesis the number core repeat. You say, “People who liked at Tut's alleged Y-STR values from screencaps have concluded that he belonged to haplogroup R1b; as this is a rare haplogroup in Egypt, and frequent in Europe, it has sparked debate about his origins”.<br />This is not true at all sense you seen, more when the STR are not a well markers in ancient DNA for the broke number core repeat, and you could not know nothing about Y haplogroups that are SNP like Rb1 or E3b for example. Also you say “alternative explanation is that the ancient DNA is not authentic but represents a European contaminant If the Y-STR values are legit”<br />If you see the original article they say “Negative and blank extraction controls were processed along with each sample. In addition, water and other aqueous polymerase chain reaction (PCR) components were monitored using the sensitive internal-Alu-PCR protocol16 to assess contamination with modern human DNA” and they include “Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem Repeats DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4,<br />DYS437, DYS438, DYS448”…. And 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome D13S317 D7S820 D2S1338 D21S11 D16S539 D18S51 CSF1PO FGA. Remind that the staff of the laboratories were testing as well. <br />With that, not could you say everything about you are telling us, that is more disinformation like the work you display.<br /> <br />Dr. H. H. O. C. –Biochemist-<br />Argentina.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-73626431980286871022011-01-30T08:25:12.840+02:002011-01-30T08:25:12.840+02:00What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like...What it means??, how can you infer that a SNP like R1b, where the mutation is defined at “M343 R1b in the broadest sense”, and one phylogenetic type like R1b M269+ or (R1b1b2*) that is the most common haplogroup in individuals of European descent, that includes as well other mutation at M269 position. Also R1b reaches a frequency of over 90% in parts of Iberia and Western Ireland and decreases eastward towards the Near East, although is present in parts of Central Asia. R1b has always been considered a marker of Paleolithic European hunter-gatherer ancestry. Another variant of R1b are common in West Africa like the Sudan Hausa, and Cameroon as well as another places and peoples in the world.<br />But with the Y-STR that appears in the original study we can’t say anything about your relation with R or E or other macro Haplogroup , there are some probability with others markers of accuracy odd conclusions like Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH) or haplotype 15 that is a Y chromosome haplotype of Y-STR microsatellite variations, associated with the Haplogroup R1b at relatively high frequency, like DYS388 (12) DYS390 (24) DYS391 (11) DYS392 (13) DYS393 (13) DYS394 (14 ), in parenthesis the number core repeat. You say, “People who liked at Tut's alleged Y-STR values from screencaps have concluded that he belonged to haplogroup R1b; as this is a rare haplogroup in Egypt, and frequent in Europe, it has sparked debate about his origins”.<br />This is not true at all sense you seen, more when the STR are not a well markers in ancient DNA for the broke number core repeat, and you could not know nothing about Y haplogroups that are SNP like Rb1 or E3b for example. Also you say “alternative explanation is that the ancient DNA is not authentic but represents a European contaminant If the Y-STR values are legit”<br />If you see the original article they say “Negative and blank extraction controls were processed along with each sample. In addition, water and other aqueous polymerase chain reaction (PCR) components were monitored using the sensitive internal-Alu-PCR protocol16 to assess contamination with modern human DNA” and they include “Sixteen Y-chromosomal short tandem Repeats DYS456, DYS389I, DYS390, DYS389II, DYS458, DYS19, DYS385, DYS393, DYS391, DYS439, DYS635, DYS392, Y-GATA-H4,<br />DYS437, DYS438, DYS448”…. And 8 polymorphic microsatellites of the nuclear genome D13S317 D7S820 D2S1338 D21S11 D16S539 D18S51 CSF1PO FGA. Remind that the staff of the laboratories were testing as well. <br />With that, not could you say everything about you are telling us, that is more disinformation like the work you display.<br /> <br />Dr. H. H. O. C. –Biochemist-<br />Argentina.horaciohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08177107320272273468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-68501338913619379452011-01-30T04:05:51.632+02:002011-01-30T04:05:51.632+02:00"That is incorrect, as European nobles often ..."That is incorrect, as European nobles often intermarried with Byzantines."<br /><br />Well, in the sources I have read all Greek kings are mentioned as having no Greek blood. But those sources may be neglecting Greek ancestors from more remote times, as, having no recent Greek ancestry, the quantity of the Greek ancestry of the Greek kings wouldn't be different from the average European monarch at the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22063401911422910082011-01-30T00:20:47.326+02:002011-01-30T00:20:47.326+02:00@ Annie Mouse : "I have long been interested ...@ Annie Mouse : <i>"I have long been interested in all the maternal Haplogroup H in North Africa."</i> <br /><br /><a href="http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajpa.20979/abstract" rel="nofollow">Post-last glacial maximum expansion from Iberia to North Africa revealed by fine characterization of mtDNA H haplogroup in Tunisia</a> <br /><br /><i>"We found that 46% of 81 Tunisian H lineages subscreened for 1,580 bp in mtDNA coding region were affiliated with H1 and H3 subhaplogroups, which are known to have originated in Iberia. Although no signs of local expansion were detected, which would allow a clear dating of their introduction, <b>the younger and less diverse Tunisian H1 and H3 lineages indicate Iberia as the radiating centre.</b>"</i><br /><br />The Taforalt ancient DNA (about 11,000 BC by the new carbon dating standard, IIRC) in <i>Kefi et al. 2005</i> also gives interesting informations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-76039592190404505332011-01-29T10:42:25.317+02:002011-01-29T10:42:25.317+02:00Prince Philip had no Greek blood. In fact, none of...<i>Prince Philip had no Greek blood. In fact, none of the kings of the independent Greece had a drop of Greek blood. They were thoroughly north/central Europeans by blood.</i><br /><br />That is incorrect, as European nobles often intermarried with Byzantines. <br /><br />http://wikibin.org/articles/byzantine-ancestry-of-greek-royal-family.htmlDienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-25139414890411668662011-01-29T02:43:00.790+02:002011-01-29T02:43:00.790+02:00"Queen Elizabeth the II of England is a thoro..."Queen Elizabeth the II of England is a thoroughly German person, and I could probably find someone who looks a lot like her in most of the villages of England. Her even more German father was a much loved King when England and Germany were at war."<br /><br />Both Elizabeth II and her father are far from being thoroughly German-descended in their known family history.<br /><br />"Her husband, Price Phillip, the father of the the royal line is essentially Greek."<br /><br />Prince Philip had no Greek blood. In fact, none of the kings of the independent Greece had a drop of Greek blood. They were thoroughly north/central Europeans by blood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com