tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post6541509756994112210..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: David Reich gives us some more hintsDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-49967495593910505482012-07-31T06:51:17.774+03:002012-07-31T06:51:17.774+03:00"There are two indigenous groups in Australia..."There are two indigenous groups in Australia: Australian Aborigines and Torres Straits Islanders. The latter are Papuan in language, culture and appearance". <br /><br />That's what I was hinting at with, 'However I think the SE Asian story is even more complicated because Papuans look different from most Australian Aborigines, except those from the north'. But I didn't want to complicate the issue. <br /><br />"The Indonesians believe their nenek moyang, the ancestors of my grandparents, were of Negrito appearance". <br /><br />To me the evidence is overwhelming that the earlier Indonesian inhabitants looked like modern Papuans (or Negritos in some regions) who have been overlaid by a more recent Mongoloid phenotype (Austronesian being just a part of that more recent immigration).terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-59605106889815046252012-07-30T04:35:11.940+03:002012-07-30T04:35:11.940+03:00"Are later Southeast Asians a 'replacemen..."Are later Southeast Asians a 'replacement' population as well?" <br /><br />Almost certainly so. SE Asians have a very substantial input of Mongoloid genes from further north. The populations of parts of SE Asia show some of the pre-Mongoloid characteristics. For example many Timorese look almost Papuan. And Papuans have very little Mongoloid genetics. However I think the SE Asian story is even more complicated because Papuans look different from most Australian Aborigines, except those from the north.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-81048877263588122992012-07-29T08:23:54.416+03:002012-07-29T08:23:54.416+03:00No word about Aboriginal Australians, particularly...No word about Aboriginal Australians, particularly from North Australia?<br /><br />What does the single <a href="http://www.sciencemag.org/content/334/6052/94.abstract" rel="nofollow">Australian Aboriginal genome</a> show us when SNPs are ascertained on the "earlier" migration component that was detected? Are later Southeast Asians a "replacement" population as well? (In the same way that many South Asians are a "replacement" population when compared to Andaman Islanders.)Ted Kandellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13245279435975443065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-59992091694569939792012-07-29T06:36:07.928+03:002012-07-29T06:36:07.928+03:00"For example people often think that European..."For example people often think that Europeans are homogeneous group that arrived in a SIMPLE way there maybe 40 or 50 thousand years ago"<br /><br />Hmmmm. A shuffle maybe? <br /><br />When are we going to get the meat of the story?princenuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165977957244158593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79051165385349113252012-07-29T06:32:06.949+03:002012-07-29T06:32:06.949+03:00"the Europeans today are a replacement popula..."the Europeans today are a replacement population who came in much more recently and replaced the people who were there originally 40 thousand years ago."<br /><br />And yet you wouldn't accept the replacement of central European meso (which seemed to have largely depleted) with peripheral European meso?princenuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165977957244158593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-4395332625488403432012-07-29T06:12:40.933+03:002012-07-29T06:12:40.933+03:00"the Europeans today are a replacement popula...<b>"the Europeans today are a replacement population who came in much more recently and replaced the people who were there originally 40 thousand years ago."</b><br /><br />West Asians, right?<br /><br />Dienekes, I've been following your works on the genetic past of Europe. From what I understand, hunter-gatherers bore the most resemblance to the Atlanto-Baltic and Northern European component and from around 10,000 B.C.E to 4,000 B.C.E. they were mostly replaced by farmers from West Asia (Anatolia, Armenia, Northern Mesopotamia).<br /><br />However, it seems that present day Europeans share few of the West Asian component compared to other components including the Atlanto-Baltic.<br /><br />So what happened during the last thousand years? Do Europeans today come mostly from West Asia or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com