tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post6311811012361616008..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: More criticism of language origin in Southwest Africa paper (Hunley et al. 2012)Dienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-4873834462152684662012-02-21T22:36:38.744+02:002012-02-21T22:36:38.744+02:00"This tree..."
Cladograms only rarely w..."This tree..."<br /><br />Cladograms only rarely work for language families, especially where languages have separated but then remained in contact, or where there has been migration. Areal efects can be so strong that they can make it hard even to distinguish Sprachbunds from actual families.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187836541591828806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-80473335641573976862012-02-17T11:17:32.948+02:002012-02-17T11:17:32.948+02:00This tree wasn't fitted on any phonemic data, ...This tree wasn't fitted on any phonemic data, it's just a way for the authors to show that the phonemic inventory of languages does not obey the serial founder effect.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-32518188520500228542012-02-17T02:32:32.462+02:002012-02-17T02:32:32.462+02:00Look at where Greek falls. They break away late wh...Look at where Greek falls. They break away late which means the other languages probably didn't travel through Greece. It means that indo European probably did not originate in anatolia and then an early branch pushed into Greece/southeast Europe.<br /><br />The relatedness of Greek, Baltic, and indic seems to fit with the idea they shared an origin in the stepps.princenuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165977957244158593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-11785793114612724302012-02-17T01:35:58.126+02:002012-02-17T01:35:58.126+02:00Also, we see that Romanian is the oldest of the Ro...<i>Also, we see that Romanian is the oldest of the Romance languages, I wonder if this is because the people of ancient Thrace, spoke a similar language and thus retained older forms into Romanian?</i><br /><br />Earlier separation in the tree from all other extant Romance languages does not mean that Romanian* is the oldest one of them. It just means that the ancestor of Romanian separated from those of all other extant Romance languages at an earlier date than they did among themselves. This is because Romanian is geographically remote and isolated from all other extant Romance languages. <br /><br />* I include all Vlach varieties in the Romanian language here.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-43570910587129337922012-02-17T01:00:04.013+02:002012-02-17T01:00:04.013+02:00@Terry
I wonder if the Albanian-Germanic is relat...@Terry<br /><br />I wonder if the Albanian-Germanic is related to Usatova Culture:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usatovo_culture<br /><br />Also, we see that Romanian is the oldest of the Romance languages, I wonder if this is because the people of ancient Thrace, spoke a similar language and thus retained older forms into Romanian?pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7311391203573161302012-02-17T00:30:30.047+02:002012-02-17T00:30:30.047+02:00"Wow, they are proposing an Albanian-Germanic..."Wow, they are proposing an Albanian-Germanic language stage - interesting?!" <br /><br />Yes. That is the bit that surprised me too. Possible, I suppose. But Albanian seems not really to fit anywhere. I've seen it placed at one time or another with almost all IE families. P)erhaps it has become particularly admixed with the various languages it has come in contact with over the years.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88435289119915865342012-02-17T00:04:59.641+02:002012-02-17T00:04:59.641+02:00The Celtic languages (Welsh, Irish) are not "...The Celtic languages (Welsh, Irish) are not "sandwiched between Albian and Romanian" -- they are sister to the clade of all Italic languages. The Italo-Celtic languages are then sister to a big clade containing all other extant Indo-European languages.<br /><br />(According to this cladogram, anyway.)Mike Keeseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00147156174467903264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26358072454454514102012-02-16T21:39:47.730+02:002012-02-16T21:39:47.730+02:00Wow, they are proposing an Albanian-Germanic langu...Wow, they are proposing an Albanian-Germanic language stage - interesting?!<br /><br />Also that Irish and Welsh are sandwiched between Albanian and Romanian...pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.com