tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post5522651351150588033..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Y chromosomes of Arbereshe from CalabriaDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7435615325378110212011-04-16T03:05:27.592+03:002011-04-16T03:05:27.592+03:00Albanians have a strong element of nordic heretage...Albanians have a strong element of nordic heretage. Since I am not a geneticist I don't know the name of the genome. This was made known to a European Genetics conference by Albanian institute of genetics. This claim was not disputed or accepted officialy by the conference. It was a genome that is very frequent in Sweeden. I remember the Albanian press ridiculed the claim of our Institute but they sticked in their claim. Since we are a obvoius mediterranian race I personally beleive that Nordic component comes from remnants of Viking conquests. Propably any Viking unit lost their way and settled there. But this is a fact. British anthropologists noticed that too. I am an Albanian by the way and not literate in genetics. If anyone can in simple words explain me what this study really means.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-75885510304045864092010-07-05T00:32:39.533+03:002010-07-05T00:32:39.533+03:00"There is all the probability that the Italia..."There is all the probability that the Italian Albanians are composed of a limited number of founders from Albania with an usual array of haplogroups". <br /><br />That was my first thoughts when I read the post. However the idea of the Albanians originally coming from somewhere like Dacia seems to ring true.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-44501192031266260152010-07-05T00:25:09.066+03:002010-07-05T00:25:09.066+03:00If I had written this I would have been taken for ...If I had written this I would have been taken for a Nationalist, but what Ponto <br />has written is my thinking from many time, knowing I the Arbereshe communities,<br />the surnames they have and speaking also a little bit their language.<br />The most interesting case of an Arbereshe is that of Ciulla, from Hora i Arbereshevet<br />(Palermo, Sicily), that Argiedude defined an R1b1b2a with DYS385=11,11 like a<br />Balkan cluster of R1b1b2.<br /><br />On Worldfamilies I wrote this:<br /><br />"Topic: An Albanian or an Italian R1b1b2a cluster? Argiedude found an Albanian cluster that Ciulla, an Italian Arberesh who belongs to it, has characterized so: "My Y-DNA line is Arberesh, part of the R1b Albanian/Balkans cluster ( key values at FTDNA`s 25 marker level are: DYS385a/b= 11-11, DYS459a= 8 and DYS464a/b/c/d similar to 14-16-16-17 )".<br /><br />I have found an Italian sample who could belong to the same cluster, but with more ancientness: the Albanian cluster is in fact very young. See Risso from Genova (Italy) (Ysearch EK3WY) with DYS393=14, DYS390=23, DYS385=11-11, DYS464=15-16-16-17, DYS461=10.<br /><br />Between Risso and Ciulla there is a TMRCA at about 2125-2550 YBP".<br /><br />No answer so far.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578860964923773647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-83143906292272708702010-07-04T07:38:48.474+03:002010-07-04T07:38:48.474+03:00I really consider this study flawed. There is all ...I really consider this study flawed. There is all the probability that the Italian Albanians are composed of a limited number of founders from Albania with an usual array of haplogroups. It is well known that there is bleeding in minority groups, inter ethnic mixing taking in to the Italian Albanian community, and a loss of members who decide to assimilate into the greater Italian nation i.e pass as Italians and drop any connection with Albanian culture. An easier way to work out the infiltration of Italians into the Albanian minority is by studying their language. The retention of archaic words, the ingress of Italian Romance words will show the effects of a minority living among a majority of different language and ethnic group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79497222193992189052010-07-03T22:03:10.648+03:002010-07-03T22:03:10.648+03:00The Haplogroup I recent spread to the southern Bal...The Haplogroup I recent spread to the southern Balkans theory is interesting. This probably excludes it being brought by Slavic speakers (at its current frequencies) during the migrations of 1,300 years ago. <br /><br />Which group or groups, then, are responsible for bringing the haplogroup to the southern Balkans? Were Vlach migrations that substantial to bring it to its current levels? There are places in Greece where the haplogroup is frequent, like in Thrace and the city of Agrinion. If the Slavs didn't bring it there (at modern levels) and it wasn't indigenous, who brought it there? Haplogroup I is relatively common even in Crete, especially away from the Lasithi plateau.<br /><br />Are the Arbereshe that large of a group to conclude that the Balkan cluster was less frequent in southern Balkan populations over 500 years ago?Deanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10753416265954000609noreply@blogger.com