tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post4442988597244663595..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Murderous chimpsDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-69181416356180546432014-09-29T21:17:46.488+03:002014-09-29T21:17:46.488+03:00@barakobama:
"You shouldn't expect such u...<br />@barakobama:<br />"You shouldn't expect such undeveloped and small societies as those of the Bushmen and Pygmies to have institutionalized violence. That's largely a modern thing."<br /><br />"Violence in humans has nothing to do with being advanced, it's our instinct." <br /><br />These two statements appear to contradict one another.<br /><br />In any case, the fact that those societies with the deepest genetic roots lack institutionalized violence makes it hard to claim that violence is some sort of instinct inherited from ancestors we share with chimps. Sure, there are many foragers who engage in feuding, raiding and warfare on a regular basis. But those rooted most deeply in our phylogenetic trees do not. <br /><br />Also it's important to remember that chimps are the ONLY primates, and indeed the only mammals, aside from humans, who prey upon their own kind. They are the exception, not the rule. As I see it, endemic violence is a product of historical contingencies, not genetically based "instincts."DocGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17359004200002936544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-4409907959386911202014-09-25T21:50:47.045+03:002014-09-25T21:50:47.045+03:00Notably, the gender balance of murder in chimps is...Notably, the gender balance of murder in chimps is almost exactly the same as in humans.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-62058650167955350082014-09-24T01:23:52.794+03:002014-09-24T01:23:52.794+03:00" Pygmies and Bushmen, tend to lack any trace..." Pygmies and Bushmen, tend to lack any trace of institutionalized violence, makes them closer to Bonobos than Chimps in any case"<br /><br />You shouldn't expect such undeveloped and small societies as those of the Bushmen and Pygmies to have institutionalized violence. That's largely a modern thing. Most people in history didn't have an official military like for example America does. <br /><br />I bet humans are more similar to Chimps when it comes to aggression. We use our weak and small size as an excuse to say all animals are more violent than we are. We're constantly fighting each other.<br /><br /> We can't use advanced societies in Eurasia as an excuse for war, raid, conquest, and murder, native Americans for example did the same thing. Violence in humans has nothing to do with being advanced, it's our instinct. When we become more advanced overtime we just find more effective ways to kill each other. There are plenty of prehistoric examples of extreme human violence. The famous Otzi the Iceman for example did not die of natural causes and buried he was murdered. Krefterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01055804913528477710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-35060673860790255162014-09-19T03:55:17.858+03:002014-09-19T03:55:17.858+03:00The observer observing the change of the observed ...The observer observing the change of the observed as the observer is observed by the observed the observer observes.<br /><br />Now, who's having no impact - on who? batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00810638398479713844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26222433359713178572014-09-18T21:59:43.065+03:002014-09-18T21:59:43.065+03:00Of interest from earlier research: "Chimpanze...Of interest from earlier research: "Chimpanzees had rates of aggression between two and three orders of magnitude higher than humans."<br />reference:<br />http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10329-005-0140-1Justin Loehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10870736759510131350noreply@blogger.com