tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post3534781363691944524..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Paternal genetic affinity between western Austronesians and Daic populationsDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-23825265330926582152008-05-30T09:51:00.000+03:002008-05-30T09:51:00.000+03:00THANK YOU! This has got to be one of my best reads...THANK YOU! This has got to be one of my best reads for the day! BTW these guys are good, finally someone gets its right. The Chinese are good! Sagart's theory was wacko jacko!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10081135181812633678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-12607458395308880812008-05-24T00:33:00.000+03:002008-05-24T00:33:00.000+03:00My main complaint about this study is that, like m...My main complaint about this study is that, like many others, it has deftly sidestepped the question of the affiliation of the (quite numerous) haplogroup O-M175 Y-chromosomes that do not belong to any of the subclades O1a-M119, O2a-M95, and O3-M122. These Y-chromosomes comprise nearly 15% of the total Daic Y-DNA genepool, but they are not given any consideration at all.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-20897176738718718332008-05-21T11:08:00.000+03:002008-05-21T11:08:00.000+03:00From the article: "CONCLUSION: We show that, in co...From the article: "CONCLUSION: We show that, in contrast to the Taiwan homeland hypothesis, the Island Southeast Asians do not have a Taiwan origin based on their paternal lineages". <BR/><BR/>But hang on. None of the "academics living in Australia or Hawaii" ever claimed the Y-chromosome came from Taiwan. In fact that was the most interesting thing. The Polynesian language and mtDNA came for there but the Y-chromosome comes from a wider region of SE Asia. This presented a problem for those who insisted language should be associated with male movement.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-10928042999101527312008-05-20T20:34:00.000+03:002008-05-20T20:34:00.000+03:00Totally agree with you . At the same time when we ...Totally agree with you . At the same time when we are blaming prejudice, this article need to look at more details when they are making a bold statement.<BR/><BR/>Less details on o2a-95 even though it is majority.<BR/><BR/>"Taking the results of diversity and divergence together, the <BR/>Daic population group is likely the ancestral group from which the Indonesians and <BR/>Taiwan aborigines derived separately in paternal lineages. Other haplogroups of Y <BR/>chromosomes (e.g. O3-M122, O2a-M95) displayed a similar pattern as O1a*, <BR/>showing that the Daic group is genetically closer to Indonesians and Taiwan <BR/>aborigines than these latter two groups are to each other (Table 3). Interestingly, O2a <BR/>may be traced even further to Austro-Asiatic populations as suggested by a recent <BR/>study "South Central Haplohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00916788636469000041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22650154208998512662008-05-20T12:30:00.000+03:002008-05-20T12:30:00.000+03:00This is great stuff. At last someone is going back...This is great stuff. At last someone is going back to the beginning, ie SE Asian Mainland, and not working back from the glamourous hula-hooping Polynesians, or constructing houses of cards on the supposedly multiglot Formosans (Taiwanese).<BR/><BR/>I can well imagine Daic (Tai-Kadai) speakers on the South China/Vietnam coast, being pushed out of there by marine transgressions (flooding to you and I), with a few going north, but the majority following the shoreline to ISEA, dispersing, and pushing the 'aboriginals' up into the mountains. There seem to have been several waves of this activity.<BR/><BR/>This is the first genetic article I have seen that attacks the 'Taiwan Homeland <BR/>Hypothesis' head-on, and I welcome it.<BR/><BR/>But there are some problems:<BR/>- Cham was a Vietnamese Austronesian group which almost certainly came _from_ Malaya, and didn't go _to_ it. The Tsat on Hainan Island were probably refugees from whoever did in the Vietnamese Cham Kingdom, relatively recently.<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/598xao<BR/><BR/>- Laurent Sagart (a very distinguished linguist) works out just how the Daics (Tai Kadai) left Taiwan - ie, in the opposite direction from the evidence in the above paper, at:<BR/>http://tinyurl.com/2njwtf<BR/>Where he bases some 90% of his theory on close study of numeral terms (he must be a nutter like me).<BR/><BR/>I could go on and on, but I won't. This is one of the very few studies coming from indigenous South East Asians, and I welcome their input, in contrast to that of academics living in Australia or Hawaii.Richard Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11726482358889849398noreply@blogger.com