tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post1834972243969693296..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Population history of the CaribbeanDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71484833454363477312013-11-18T01:39:53.006+02:002013-11-18T01:39:53.006+02:00I commend the authors for the sampling criteria us...I commend the authors for the sampling criteria used, one of the issues I've noted in the past,<br /><br /> "A total of 251 individuals representing six different Caribbean-descent populations were recruited in South Florida, USA. Participants were required to have at least three grandparents from their countries of origin, thus limited ethnographic and anonymous pedigree information was collected."<br /><br />A friend of mine here in South Florida was unable to participate since, while he and both his parents were born in Cuba, his paternal grandparents emigrated early last century from Galicia, Spain. Nevertheless, his admixture shows 5% Native/95% European, and his mtDNA haplogroup is A2d1, clearly Native American.<br /><br />I find it extremely interesting the dichotomy in gender lineages among Hispanics. <br /><br />Mark Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03792117663748801194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-28168941817502869152013-11-17T19:07:15.391+02:002013-11-17T19:07:15.391+02:00If the sugar plantation model was first developed ...If the sugar plantation model was first developed on the West African islands and then exported to the Americas a mixed Creole population created on those islands may have been exported too. They would (may?) have had an advantage over European colonists (more resistance to tropical diseases) and an advantage over African slaves (color-based social status) so might (?) over time have become a larger percentage of the total population than they were originally.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-54533025355476787962013-11-16T19:48:54.561+02:002013-11-16T19:48:54.561+02:00Early colonization-times Spaniards were supposed t...Early colonization-times Spaniards were supposed to have been enriched by Moorish and Sephardic element, while the Iberian population left behind would have been relatively depleted / "cleansed"? Adding Maghreb and Sephardi samples to the analysis may offer a direct test to the hypothesisMOCKBAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150628026789690963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-76315569449990729412013-11-16T12:01:59.218+02:002013-11-16T12:01:59.218+02:00No, it is not.
I would like to see further what th...No, it is not.<br />I would like to see further what they mean by saying that the Waraos are particularly linked to the Mayas. Can there be a tentative timing?<br /><br />A couple of remarks from a Venezuelan:<br />1) we know there were Carib and Arawak groups migrating from Venezuela's coast towards the Caribbean islands for a long time. Still,<br />2) between 1492-1498 and 1560 approximately there was a dramatic collapse of the indigenous population of the Caribbean islands and the Europeans decided from the start to enslave natives from the Venezuelan coast and take them to those islands to keep on the work. They were soon to be replaced by Africans. But in any case: thousands upon thousands of native Americans were transported by Europeans during those first decades.<br /><br />3) I don't know what they really mean by saing Yukpas being "isolate". They are from the Carib family group, even if they have been isolated from the Carib speaking region for a long time. Their language is quite distinct but still part of the Carib language family like that of the Pemon, the Karina, the Yek'uana.<br /><br />It would be interesting if more comparisons were made between the now completely mixed Venezuelan population along the whole Venezuelan coast and the Waraos, who speak an isolated language. Most archaeologists now think that virtually the whole central and eastern Venezuelan coast but for the Orinoco was Carib area and the Waraos were where they are now. Still, it could be conceivable that the Waraos had "colonies" or the like.<br />Alexander von Humboldt said the natives of Margarita, the Waikeri, told him their great-grandparents spoke a language like the Waraos (in 1800 they all spoke Spanish only). But now most consider the Waikeri (now extinct) were part of the Carib language family.<br /><br />All this might be taken into account to consider whom to compare with.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-74552585021845424222013-11-15T15:43:28.082+02:002013-11-15T15:43:28.082+02:00Isn't this essentially the same as the one pub...Isn't this essentially the same as the one published in June?<br /><br />I noticed that the charts were identical, but haven't put them side by side to compare verbiage.<br />Mark Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03792117663748801194noreply@blogger.com