tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post172304989128913366..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Cranial variation and the transition to agriculture in EuropeDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-31894784201923220852012-04-26T22:02:49.046+03:002012-04-26T22:02:49.046+03:00Already posted:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012...Already posted:<br /><br />http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/04/ancient-dna-from-neolithic-sweden.htmlDienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-46794292585370047312012-04-26T21:16:29.471+03:002012-04-26T21:16:29.471+03:00Anders Götherström, whose work was previously cit...Anders Götherström, whose work was previously cited here, has an article out this week in Science. Differences between Swedish Neolithic farmers and hunters show the farmers have closets relationship to today's population of Sardinia, Cyprus and Italian Tuscany.<br /><br /><br />http://www.dn.se/nyheter/vetenskap/jordbruket-kom-med-sydlandska-bondermatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14331613045178862418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-73826592560869203692012-03-29T10:13:47.057+03:002012-03-29T10:13:47.057+03:00Where are one egg twins who grew up in 2 different...<i>Where are one egg twins who grew up in 2 different families, who had different kind of diet ...<br /><br />...And why is this a world wide effect?</i><br /><br />Fanty,<br /><br />The past, extreme changes in diet simply don't occur in the modern world. However, diet <i>has</i> changed world-wide, so it is a good explanation for at least some cranial changes.<br /><br />HGs have a diet high in tough fiber, and tend to use all of their meat resources - which means a lot of gnawing off and biting into bones.<br /><br />With ceramic and later metallic vessels, long-duration cooking became much more practical and prevalent, changing the food to one for which the jaws are hardly challenged, and thus leading to much smaller jaws and over-crowding of teeth. But the reduced stress also affects other parts of the scull where muscles are attached.<br /><br />There are likely additional factors such as more sophisticated tools that require less usage of teeth, sleeping on softer beds and with pillows, different practices of carrying and binding infants during field work (or reduced need to do so), and many more that are all more plausible than some weird world-wide co-evolution within the time span of a few thousand years.eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-5876279049108269442012-03-28T22:03:19.258+03:002012-03-28T22:03:19.258+03:00"With the increasingly large body of evidence..."With the increasingly large body of evidence that diet shapes cranial features, it is sad to see that this aspect - while important and perhaps dominant - is largely ignored in many studies."<br /><br />OK. so, if its like this, there must be evidence.<br /><br />Where are one egg twins who grew up in 2 different families, who had different kind of diet and one is broad faced and short skulled while his genetical idential twin is slimfaced and long skulled.<br /><br />And what change in dient caused Europeans to change from broadfaced, shortskulled in hunter gatherer age, to slimfaced and longskulled in farming age and back to broadfaced and shortskulled in the industrial age.<br /><br />And why is this a world wide effect? The Chinese skulls decrease in lengh since 3K years aswell.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-51842058585501256642012-03-28T14:59:51.089+03:002012-03-28T14:59:51.089+03:00I've been saying this since 2005. I hope, now ...I've been saying this since 2005. I hope, now Maju, since that both physical anthropology and genetics, you will be able to slowly emerge out of your sentiments for Paleolithic continuity of Basques. Your people look don't look Mesolithic European nor do your people harbor their genes. You are an Anatolian, and Dienekes is your brother.renhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04377460204421275833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-74328167486267782542012-03-28T14:01:25.143+03:002012-03-28T14:01:25.143+03:00With the increasingly large body of evidence that ...With the increasingly large body of evidence that <b>diet shapes cranial features</b>, it is sad to see that this aspect - while important and perhaps dominant - is largely ignored in many studies.eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-2782951867346729092012-03-27T23:13:42.874+03:002012-03-27T23:13:42.874+03:00Sadly the graph is illegible, with many marking ty...Sadly the graph is illegible, with many marking types indicating more than one population. For example '*' means both Baltic Neolithic and Portuguese Mesolithic, etc. <br /><br />That way it is impossible to make any critical analysis. The authors admit to massive overlap anyhow.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-33741928415471994682012-03-27T22:19:13.946+03:002012-03-27T22:19:13.946+03:00It would be nice if we could get the average locat...It would be nice if we could get the average location for each group or if the different markers were obvious. It's hard to find the smaller patterns.<br /><br />Also, is there any kind of solid evidence on the neolithic transition in the British isles. I haven't seem ancient DNA or craniometric data telling us if the transition was democrat or cultural.princenuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165977957244158593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-46035402335956650772012-03-27T22:08:00.012+03:002012-03-27T22:08:00.012+03:00"In contrast, modern genetic data assume that..."In contrast, modern genetic data assume that modern European populations accurately reflect the genetic structure of Europe at the time of the Neolithic transition."<br /><br />Sounds right. And otzi is a good example of why we shouldn't.princenuadhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02165977957244158593noreply@blogger.com