tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post1069118608186530561..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Haplogroup G1, Y-chromosome mutation rate and migrations of Iranic speakersDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-10079561793135576622015-04-25T19:23:15.206+03:002015-04-25T19:23:15.206+03:00BOO-yah. I posted my latest "Romans are from ...BOO-yah. I posted my latest "Romans are from Crete" video last night, and JUST FOUND this posting. I specifically laughed off the Steppe origin of the Iranian languages.<br /><br />https://youtu.be/JilZqf66q9EPneumatikonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135543740306228320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-91209462784083839252015-04-21T22:49:49.031+03:002015-04-21T22:49:49.031+03:00@Unknoen. Pastroalism started in what is nowadays ...@Unknoen. Pastroalism started in what is nowadays known as Kurdistan. But most likely around the Zagros mountains there is no denying there. I have been advocating an Zagros/Albruz Mountain-North Mesopotamia origin of Indo European for a long time. Kurtihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00818803833239507313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79275270754212215062015-04-21T20:31:00.178+03:002015-04-21T20:31:00.178+03:00Blame Columbus for this name desaster..
He was sur...Blame Columbus for this name desaster..<br />He was sure to be on islands close to the coast of India.<br /><br />He wondered why they are so primitiv as rumors said, India is wealthy and highly developed. But he definately did not know the phenotypes common in India or he would have known that these people are not "Indians".Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-61357993045403100872015-04-20T06:54:37.171+03:002015-04-20T06:54:37.171+03:00This is actually a remarkable piece of research.
...This is actually a remarkable piece of research.<br /><br />A key question is how the pastoralist economies got to the steppes. If it came along with domesticated animals, than it makes it possible that Indo-European languages also came along with it. This is the basic premise of any flavor of the Anatolian Theory of IE origin.<br /><br />Steppe advocates of IE origins of course have worked hard to say that the Neolithic in Armenia, Anatolia and Iran did not include pastoralism. You can see some of the evidence evaluated in Daniel Potts' "Nomadism in Iran: From Antiquity to the Modern Era."<br /><br />If there were herds of cattle, of course, one would think that pasture would dictate a transient steppes-style lifestyle right from the start. And since the archaeology as a whole is pretty light, the argument is about the lack of evidence more than the logic.<br /><br />For a Russian sponsored project to essentially endorse the Anatolian theory appears to be pretty brave. <br /><br />"Much higher STR variation in the west part of the Iranian-Armenian plateau makes the mountain homeland a more probable candidate. This conclusion fits the Anatolian theory of Indo-European origins, and the pattern of STR diversity (Fig 4) fits especially well."LivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-62622251044431320832015-04-16T02:16:21.520+03:002015-04-16T02:16:21.520+03:00"and G1-GG362 in West Indians"
if anyon..."and G1-GG362 in West Indians"<br /><br />if anyone was wondering, they mean people from the western part of India and not Caribbeans...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88153099857857013052015-04-15T14:50:16.919+03:002015-04-15T14:50:16.919+03:00I do hope 'West Indian' is a mistake for &...I do hope 'West Indian' is a mistake for 'Western Indian'! I'm not sure that Central asians helped in the settlement of the West Indies!Nedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587106110216098897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-16760851504831500962015-04-14T16:08:16.657+03:002015-04-14T16:08:16.657+03:00Some Iranic G1 speakers could easily be Proto-Indo...Some Iranic G1 speakers could easily be Proto-Indo-European just like we have some basal types of J1 and J2 clearly associated with ancient and modern Iranic speakers. Let's remember the Proto-Turkic, the Proto-Afroasiatic and Proto-Semitic, the Proto-Uralic, they were all originally spoken in some original core areas and expanded to distant areas and new frontiers to give differentiated protolanguages. The modern frontiers incorporated and assimilated new populations and new derived haplogroups quite different from the original speakers and the basal founders. In the case of the J haplogroup and specially in the ancient Iranian J1 types we only need to investigate the basal Y full sequences of the first Northern Iranian basal J1 branches to understand the association with the same Iranian maps of the G1 frequences and concentrations.Ricardo Costa de Oliveirahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03660715262291819025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-4112437347002456182015-04-14T12:17:27.532+03:002015-04-14T12:17:27.532+03:00"The “clan-based” approach to estimating the ...<i>"The “clan-based” approach to estimating the mutation rate provides a third, middle way between direct farther-to-son comparisons and using archeologically known migrations, whose dates are subject to revision and of uncertain relationship to genetic events. "</i><br /><br />They conveniently forgot about the most reliable of all: ancient DNA.<br /><br />Also, as I have mentioned before, I strongly suspect mutation rates to "slow down" with age of method/ sample. And we are quite near experimental tests (planned or accidental) showing whether the <i>effective</i> mutation rate is time-dependent.eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-27983791704209693382015-04-14T04:40:25.032+03:002015-04-14T04:40:25.032+03:00There is a remarkable film from 1925 called Grass....There is a remarkable film from 1925 called Grass. It follows the annual Bakhtiari migration in the southwest of modern Iran. Whatever its flaws, it does illustrate that "pastoralist" lifestyle could have developed in the Zagros mountains well before it moved to the steppes. One interesting part is the crossing of the Karun River by maybe a hundred thousand cattle. Another is the Anatolian hunter.<br /><br />A shortened version of the film is here:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdnL0CkRdkkLivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.com