tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post8128618506258147877..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Light-pigmented Caucasoids from prehistoric SiberiaDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-18498275722253394402009-05-13T13:12:00.000+03:002009-05-13T13:12:00.000+03:00Looks like there were some long range expansions o...Looks like there were some long range expansions out of Central Europe during the Bronze Age.<br /><br />Those Corded Ware R1a1s are certainly related to these guys, and we also have that example of a Scythian mummy being most similar to Poles and Russians in terms of autosomal DNA. <br /><br />Of course, after getting to Siberia, they took locals for wives, hence the Asian component. One of those Scythian mummies had an Asian specific mtDNA lineage.Polakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08791738703122670119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-8354171284088431012009-05-13T00:38:00.000+03:002009-05-13T00:38:00.000+03:00yesyesDienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-75681407106563088102009-05-13T00:35:00.000+03:002009-05-13T00:35:00.000+03:00Thanks for your clarification of the numbers, Dien...Thanks for your clarification of the numbers, Dienekes.<br /><br />So, you mean that 1/9 Andronovo individuals who have been tested in the present study of autosomal variation belongs to Y-DNA haplogroup C(xC3) and clusters with East Asians, 1/9 Andronovo individuals is a female (or for some other reason has not had the results of a Y-DNA assay reported) and clusters with East Asians, and the remaining 7/9 Andronovo individuals cluster with Europeans, including the two individuals whose Y-DNA has previously been determined to belong to haplogroup R1a1. Is this correct?Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-34073627819332677562009-05-12T21:45:00.000+03:002009-05-12T21:45:00.000+03:00There were three Andronovo individuals with Y-chro...There were three Andronovo individuals with Y-chromosome results (2 R1a1 and 1 C(xC3)). The R1a1's comes up as "European", the C(xC3) as "East Asian".<br /><br />There are nine Andronovo individuals with autosomal results (this study), two of which come up as "East Asian", and seven as "European".<br /><br />1 of 8 Tagar individuals is intermediate, and there were 5/6 of them that had R1a1 Y-chromosomes -- the sixth was not determined.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-702321916604891862009-05-12T21:35:00.000+03:002009-05-12T21:35:00.000+03:00Isn't it odd that there would be one C(xC3) who cl...Isn't it odd that there would be one C(xC3) who clusters with East Asians, one R1a1 who clusters with East Asians, and one R1a1 who clusters with Europeans, all from the same archaeological horizon, i.e. Andronovo? Are the phenotypes of the skeletal remains of humans in Andronovo burials notably heterogeneous?Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22994660267534326432009-05-12T18:29:00.000+03:002009-05-12T18:29:00.000+03:00Haven't two of the samples of ancient Y-DNA from b...Haven't two of the samples of ancient Y-DNA from burials of the Andronovo culture been classified as R1a1, and the other as C(xC3)? Do the two individuals from Andronovo who have been found to cluster with East Asians in the present study both belong to the sample of three individuals from the Andronovo culture whose Y-DNA has been found to belong to R1a1, R1a1, and C(xC3)? If so, then we should have one C(xC3) individual from Andronovo who clusters with East Asians, one R1a1 individual from Andronovo who clusters with East Asians, and one R1a1 individual from Tagar who is intermediate between the East Asian cluster and the European cluster.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.com