tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post7478898077680634904..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Y chromosomes of Uttar Pradesh (North India)Dienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-83602515358897101082014-02-09T04:37:45.368+02:002014-02-09T04:37:45.368+02:00Can some please explain the 11% E1b1b1 found in Sh...Can some please explain the 11% E1b1b1 found in Shia? Like where did it come from? E1b1b1 is a common East and North African lineage. Also, in another article on Dienekes called "Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan lineages in Indian Muslim populations" on the report it says Shia Muslims have 10.6% of J*(xJ2) which is most probably J1 and while they have only 1.9% E1b1b1a. So, how come no J1 observed in Shia Muslims in this research?? Did they not test for J1 or something? This is the link to the other research article on Dienekes: http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/middle-eastern-and-sub-saharan-lineages.html Can also someone please answer my queries. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-65342199760392853422014-02-09T04:36:36.356+02:002014-02-09T04:36:36.356+02:00Can some please explain the 11% E1b1b1 found in Sh...Can some please explain the 11% E1b1b1 found in Shia? Like where did it come from? E1b1b1 is a common East and North African lineage. Also, in another article on Dienekes called "Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan lineages in Indian Muslim populations" on the report it says Shia Muslims have 10.6% of J*(xJ2) which is most probably J1 and while they have only 1.9% E1b1b1a. So, how come no J1 observed in Shia Muslims in this research?? Did they not test for J1 or something? This is the link to the other research article on Dienekes: http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/middle-eastern-and-sub-saharan-lineages.html Can also someone please answer my queries. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-78796358946139316372008-12-08T18:16:00.000+02:002008-12-08T18:16:00.000+02:00Shia (19.5%) and Sunni (15.4%) sampleIt makes perf...Shia (19.5%) and Sunni (15.4%) sample<BR/><BR/>It makes perfect sense, because in general these guys were later Turkish-Kurdish-Iranian muslim troops in addition earlier Syrian-Iraqi-Omani groups that established themselves in the Sind region & later invaded North India.<BR/><BR/><B>Some of it</B> is also Neolithic, we know J2 reached Turkestan in Neolithic times so settling North India is Neolithic times is not far fetched.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08441551106229929350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-21483532993667076832008-12-08T12:10:00.000+02:002008-12-08T12:10:00.000+02:00On the other hand, if J2, and especially J2a had b...<I>On the other hand, if J2, and especially J2a had been introduced by Neolithic agriculturalists in India during the Neolithic, then we would not expect that it be correlated with social caste today.</I><BR/><BR/>I would not be so sure: we really don't know how and how much pre-IE social groupings influenced the formation of IE (post-Vedic) castes. Much of the stock of the new social hierarchy may have been built on pre-existing strata (after all Northern South Asia appears to have been very developed, and therefore socially structured, in the Chalcolithic period).Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79492568829038947862008-12-08T05:50:00.000+02:002008-12-08T05:50:00.000+02:00Excellent article, I find little surprising here. ...Excellent article, I find little surprising here. Much of the Shia Muslim population of Afghanistan, Pakistan and even India are derived from Shia militant groups called the "Qizilbash" which originated in Iran in the late 13th century. Qizilbash is Turkish for "redhead", and they were called this due to their reddish-colored head gear. The Qizilbash helped found the Safavid dynasty of Iran(and they also converted Iran from Sunni to Shia Islam). The Qizilbash were apparently a mixture of Turks and Persians or Kurds. <BR/><BR/>The Qizilbash also accompanied the Iranian conqueror Nadir Shah on his India campaign in 1738. Wherever they settled, they became influential as traders or administrators and were overrepresented in the elite. They are sort of like the Shia Muslim equivalent of the Parsees of India, due to their common Iranian origins, although the Qizilbash descendants are more influential in Pakistan overall than in India. Due to their Iranian and Turkish ancestry, they are generally fairer than most Indians and Pakistanis. They have been persecuted on and off in Afghanistan, forcing some of them to pretend to be Sunni Muslim(according to Shia Islam, it is okay to lie or pretend you are Sunni if you fear persecution from Sunnis). <BR/><BR/>This may explain some of the Middle Eastern and Central Asian genes found in certain parts of India(let's not forget also all the times the Pashtuns/Afghans invaded India, plus the Pashtuns were the backbone of the Mughal army). Nelofer Pazira, who stared in "Kandahar" and co-directed and stared in "Return to Kandahar" is Qizilbash. From reading her books, one gets the impression that the Qizilbash are like the "Jews of Afghanistan", due to their over-representation among urban professionals, the business elite and their often liberal political views.<BR/><BR/>I've known Pakistani Shia Muslims who tell me they are aware of their Turkish roots, although they no longer speak Turkish, and their families stopped speaking Turkish many generations ago.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08714736540800070703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-41479929665403120722008-12-07T22:00:00.000+02:002008-12-07T22:00:00.000+02:00dieneks can you give more details plese on haplogr...dieneks can you give more details plese on haplogroup e1b1b1b1 who was found in shia muslem in the north to which clade is it belong <BR/>e3b1 or e3b3?<BR/>regards samsunsamsunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15371910033344364388noreply@blogger.com