tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post7258754224384520605..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Paternal traces of Bantu expansion + African R1b1 mysteryDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-58597710697324287492009-05-16T21:05:00.000+03:002009-05-16T21:05:00.000+03:00"R1b1 in Africa just confirms what more and more a..."R1b1 in Africa just confirms what more and more authors think, that R1b1 have probably arisen in Africa instead of Asia"<br /><br />Hmmph (muffled laugh).<br /><br />No...I don't think I've seen a single author write that.<br /><br />The most likely ultimate point of origin is Turkey for this Y chr; it traces the migration of Afro Asiatic speakers from the near east into central West Africa.It had a Neolithic estimated date of arrival in Africa.<br /><br />Makes Afro asiatic as a native African language dubious.mathildahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06682429587184048584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-48936478600517948212009-04-19T08:52:00.000+03:002009-04-19T08:52:00.000+03:00What do you mean, Argiedude, for Ashkenazi cluster...What do you mean, Argiedude, for Ashkenazi cluster? I have always supported that Sam Vass is from a Spanish (or Basque) cluster: now we have a Schoenberg on the Adriano spreadsheet who is R-M167: there is someone who thinks that also this haplotype is from Middle East? I think there isn't an Ashkenazi (or Sephardic) cluster. Anyway these Africans are very interesting, but we must understand when they went there and from where, but having DYS385a=13.2 certainly they haven't anything to do with the European ones.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00999270356447668208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-67976968601891905922009-04-18T21:36:00.000+03:002009-04-18T21:36:00.000+03:00By sheer coincidence, I made a post 2 weeks ago in...By sheer coincidence, I made a post 2 weeks ago in dna-forums showing that there were 2 clusters of R1b1* (P25*) in western Africa that didn't fit in with the known R1b1* from Ashkenazis and Europeans. I got the info from yhrd, smgf, and other places, and they seemed to be concentrated in pretty much the same region that this study tested.<br /><br />One of the clusters has a very distinctive STR, it's 385a = 13.2. I wonder if they detected this .2 mutation when they tested these samples. I sure would like to see this study.<br /><br />argiedudewolcupitolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11439666196673222635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-956383524336646162009-04-18T15:22:00.000+03:002009-04-18T15:22:00.000+03:00Mauri writes: "that R1b1 have probably arisen in A...Mauri writes: "that R1b1 have probably arisen in Africa instead of Asia". How is it possible, if R come from P and we find P and Q in Siberia (and North America)? It is interesting to know when R1b arrived to Africa and from where and in which haplotypes. But I think (and probably last findings are giving right to me) that also hg. E isn't African in origin, but Middle Eastern. If you mean that Africa was the origin of hg. A and B, perhaps we agree.Gioiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00999270356447668208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-31886494742384170922009-04-18T11:45:00.000+03:002009-04-18T11:45:00.000+03:00R1b1 in Africa just confirms what more and more au...R1b1 in Africa just confirms what more and more authors think, that R1b1 have probably arisen in Africa instead of Asia...Maurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12466415546180699759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-76378279368004275082009-04-18T10:44:00.000+03:002009-04-18T10:44:00.000+03:00Some Of The Africans are genetically "White Males"...Some Of The Africans are genetically "White Males" ?miz RAND BLOWTONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13306476695686165653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22325771792899098222009-04-16T19:56:00.000+03:002009-04-16T19:56:00.000+03:00Extremely interesting. I did a search for other r...Extremely interesting. I did a search for other relevant info, and put a number of links (many peer-reviewed) at <A HREF="http://artksthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/y-haplotypes-in-africa.html" REL="nofollow">Y-Haplotypes in Africa</A>. (Since many links in a comment just get it dumped as spam.)AKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10905636789614137068noreply@blogger.com