tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post7240216940499647490..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: French cattle in global genomic contextDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-6912108669614917862010-10-08T15:42:11.239+03:002010-10-08T15:42:11.239+03:00And much the same as human 'races'.
As I ...<i>And much the same as human 'races'.</i><br /><br />As I have written many times on this blog, I consider not just breeds but also races (including human races) as subspecies, as I see, likewise, no difference between races and subspecies genetically, physically and anatomically.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-34002770224304614372010-10-08T10:27:41.196+03:002010-10-08T10:27:41.196+03:00"Possible, yes".
And much the same as..."Possible, yes". <br /><br />And much the same as human 'races'.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-36153361957815580952010-10-07T01:32:43.274+03:002010-10-07T01:32:43.274+03:00Notice that at K=47, one breed GNS (Guernsey) seem...Notice that at K=47, one breed GNS (Guernsey) seems to split into 2 distinct breeds, a Red and a Blue one - strange??<br /><br />Also, a pertinent map of the dispersal routes is here:<br />http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchObject.action;jsessionid=191110A76ED7AD2CE763E4318BB00411.ambra02?uri=info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0013038.g005&representation=PNG_M<br /><br />It's a pity that some Cypriot, Italian, Sicilian, Iberian and North African breeds of cattle were not included, as the proposed migration pattern gives 2 main routes into Europe:<br />1. Danubian - overland from Balkans<br />2. Mediterranean - ??<br /><br />But we don't know how the Mediterranean route came about, was it via:<br />1. Fast boat from Anatolia/Levant<br />2. Slow boat, island hopping across the Mediterranean Sea, or<br />3. Overland across North Africa, then up through Iberia.<br /><br />The difference could be determined by comparing Western French to Iberian and Italian cattle, as if Western French are similar to the other 2, then the route is probably by boat.<br />However if the Western French are similar to Iberian and North African, then the route would be overland via North Africa.<br /><br />IMO, this is important for the R1b spread in Europe.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-65663508655772528102010-10-05T01:36:27.548+03:002010-10-05T01:36:27.548+03:00Possibly so.
Possible, yes.<i>Possibly so.</i><br /><br />Possible, yes.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71685802562104729972010-10-05T00:15:41.971+03:002010-10-05T00:15:41.971+03:00Possibly so.Possibly so.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22773100415692473752010-10-04T01:53:15.185+03:002010-10-04T01:53:15.185+03:00Maybe human promoted breeds are amongst the cleare...Maybe human promoted breeds are amongst the clearest cases of subspecies? :)Andrew Lancasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050253327442799011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-38742530987318889492010-10-04T00:15:49.529+03:002010-10-04T00:15:49.529+03:00I've long argued that we should consider '...<i>I've long argued that we should consider 'breeds' to be much the same as 'subspecies'. They exhibit much the same characteristics, and are formed in much the same way: genetic isolation.</i><br /><br />I see no difference between breeds and subspecies genetically, physically and anatomically.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88849871285030267432010-10-04T00:08:18.146+03:002010-10-04T00:08:18.146+03:00Daniel Bradley showed much the same divisions way ...Daniel Bradley showed much the same divisions way back in a 1996 paper on cattle mtDNA. <br /><br />I've long argued that we should consider 'breeds' to be much the same as 'subspecies'. They exhibit much the same characteristics, and are formed in much the same way: genetic isolation.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-42042572797872617002010-10-03T14:16:55.064+03:002010-10-03T14:16:55.064+03:00Very interesting when we consider that the similar...Very interesting when we consider that the similarity 9and differences) between pure breeds in agriculture and a species has been a subject for insight and debate since Darwin. <br /><br />A pure breed is an artificially closed sub-population - almost like a sped up and forced attempt to create a speciation. Darwin noted all kinds of observations about what this could end up meaning.<br /><br />The fact that domesticate breeds of this species can be split cleanly to such a high K number (compared to wild populations of other animals) has a reason, and to me it makes sense given what it is that animal breeders generally aim at?Andrew Lancasterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15050253327442799011noreply@blogger.com