tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post6813924270138284699..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Climate caused the Late Bronze Age collapse in the Eastern MediterraneanDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-66336804690321149772013-08-27T11:33:10.963+03:002013-08-27T11:33:10.963+03:00I do think that that the title of the post is a bi...I do think that that the title of the post is a bit misleading: the authors themself state, already in the abstract "The statistical analysis of proximate and ultimate features of the sequential collapse reveals the relationships of climate-driven famine, sea-borne-invasion, region-wide warfare, and politico-economic collapse, in whose wake new societies and new ideologies were created". Which is quite different from what is stated in the title of this post. <br />The same authors, if I remember well, wrote an article where they presented archaeological proofs of a defined level of destruction at Gibala.<br />It is not surprising that the collapse was a complex event, with diverse and somehow diverging "roots"; accordingly, the authors remain propositive non conclusive. Atropa belladonnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05839397911933163771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-6261067347381512262013-08-19T11:41:59.103+03:002013-08-19T11:41:59.103+03:00The initial decline seems to correlate with the Th...The initial decline seems to correlate with the Thera event.eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-9004408284889930602013-08-18T19:15:59.372+03:002013-08-18T19:15:59.372+03:00"So the premise is plausible but not, to me, ..."So the premise is plausible but not, to me, any more persuasive than changes in battle tactics, or system collapse models, or seismic activity, or any of the other explanations so far advanced."<br /><br />I think the critical thing is that climate changes can drive other more dramatic and more proximate causes i.e. climate change may have driven the Sea Peoples but it was still the Sea Peoples who did the actual collapsing.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-4722946134728524542013-08-17T08:16:44.397+03:002013-08-17T08:16:44.397+03:00Climate change is the hot explanation for just abo...Climate change is the hot explanation for just about everything these days. One problem with these kinds of studies is that if you are looking for climate change you will always find climate change, because some aspect of the climate is always changing. And then there is the problem that you aren't measuring climate change directly, but are using very imprecise and problematic proxies. So the premise is plausible but not, to me, any more persuasive than changes in battle tactics, or system collapse models, or seismic activity, or any of the other explanations so far advanced. <br />D. B. Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05663484917515894917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29673410184734800892013-08-16T16:11:45.458+03:002013-08-16T16:11:45.458+03:00Makes sense i think.
On the one hand a climate ev...Makes sense i think.<br /><br />On the one hand a climate event might affect the marginal farming periphery more than the optimal farming core creating both a life or death incentive for the peoples on the margins to move inwards while at the same time weakening the defences of the civilized core.<br /><br />Or alternatively if the damage from the climate event affected the civilized farmers in the core regions much more than the wild herders on the periphery.<br /><br />Either way the balance of power changes and the core gets stomped.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-51685828391800457462013-08-15T23:48:05.124+03:002013-08-15T23:48:05.124+03:00Not surprising, but an impressive opus of proof to...Not surprising, but an impressive opus of proof to back the hypothesis.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29787946432306827022013-08-15T19:49:54.350+03:002013-08-15T19:49:54.350+03:00Seems to coincide with Bond event 2.
See also Pot...Seems to coincide with Bond event 2.<br /><br />See also Potential influence of Bond <br />events on mid-Holocene climate and<br />vegetation in southern Pyrenees as<br />assessed from Burg lake LOI and pollen records.<br />hol.sagepub.com/content/21/1/95.abstract?rss=1 by A Pèlachs - ?2011Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16320741900654721337noreply@blogger.com