tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post6319246345290390274..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Kiffians and Tenerians from the SaharaDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-54008430133482231332008-09-01T09:53:00.000+03:002008-09-01T09:53:00.000+03:00The Cro-Magnons migrated south into N. Africa long...The Cro-Magnons migrated south into N. Africa long ago & they [or their Nordic descenants?] are ancestral to the Berbers & Tuareg among others in N. Africa.dave in bocahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10164227301361227792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-12813031060079636062008-08-21T20:56:00.000+03:002008-08-21T20:56:00.000+03:00I think the Kiffians look a little Neanderthal lik...I think the Kiffians look a little Neanderthal like, but a lot Cro-Magnon - that why they might be related to Berbers and Guanche from the canary Islands (especially Tenerife) - who were tall and powerfully built also.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-70372846788241453042008-08-21T18:14:00.000+03:002008-08-21T18:14:00.000+03:00Pete, thanks for posting the pic. Yeah, I'd agree...Pete, thanks for posting the pic. Yeah, I'd agree with you. That frontal bone looks very much Neanderthal to me. I wonder if anyone else is talking about this? <BR/><BR/>Certainly the two populations are very, very different from each other.Kosmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05156165962330239126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7087522594763685552008-08-21T04:00:00.000+03:002008-08-21T04:00:00.000+03:00I was looking at the picture of the Kiffian skull,...I was looking at the picture of the Kiffian skull, and it seemed to me from the one picture I could find that it seems to have some Neanderthal-like features (square orbs, low forehead vault, brow ridges, nasal opening shape, chin shape, robustness). I have seen no pictures of the back, bottom or side of the Kiffian skull.<BR/><BR/>Do you think the Kiffian people could have had some Neanderthal contributions?<BR/><BR/>kiffian skull picture link:<BR/>http://anthropology.net/2008/08/14/the-kiffian-tenerean-occupation-of-gobero-niger-perhaps-the-largest-collection-of-early-mid-holocene-people-in-africa/kiffian-versus-tenereian-skulls/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16842819088746067578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-14185484161309401332008-08-20T08:31:00.000+03:002008-08-20T08:31:00.000+03:00I saw the skulls, great find.One thing leaves me c...I saw the skulls, great find.<BR/><BR/>One thing leaves me confused. Why does the article state they look like Mediterraneans and that it is puzzling they don't look like Sub Saharans. <BR/>Firstly, what is so puzzling about it? The skulls were found in the Sahara not the South Sahara, unless they are stating that other remains found in that area were "Sub Saharan" while these were not I don't understand what the "confusion" would be here because Saharan skulls were not similar to SUB Saharan skulls... <BR/><BR/><BR/>Further, these skulls are unlike any other Mediterranean skull I have seen, and by Mediterranean I deal primarily with the old term coined towards European groups. So, exactly what group of Mediterraneans are they claiming they have affinities to?<BR/>The word Mediterranean used here then leaves ME puzzled, since it describes all ethnicities bordering the Mediterranean sea including negroid and mixed populations like present day Egyptians, Berbers and nomadic tribes. <BR/>What then are the racial affinities the article is adhering to?<BR/><BR/>My personal opinion lies in the notion that they may have have been a mixed race people. Perhaps this is what the article is hinting at itself, it might be puzzling that they can't seem to pin point any one racial category to assign the skulls to so simply class them as "Mediteranean" by description of geography instead of racial anthropological groupings.<BR/>Similar to the Natufian skulls which were described as Mediterranean with negroid characteristics, this group too may have undergone a similar means of demic diffusion. <BR/><BR/>We won't be able to tell until the DNA samples are presented. I suppose we will wait another 8 years.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10027246105500477772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71226646846590968482008-08-17T00:53:00.000+03:002008-08-17T00:53:00.000+03:00No one mentioned DNA.Are they gonna DNA test these...No one mentioned DNA.Are they gonna DNA test these NorthAfrican bones? I read the tall ones were a North African People,but the short thin ones were Mediterranean- looking. Is there any salvagable DNA in bones thousands of years old? The Cheddar man was 12,000 years old and DNA was still able to be extracted out of his tooth to show his Momma's Origin.miz RAND BLOWTONhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13306476695686165653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-85480109236250770452008-08-15T21:19:00.000+03:002008-08-15T21:19:00.000+03:00Wow. Rush Limbaugh just talked about this on his ...Wow. Rush Limbaugh just talked about this on his radio show. (That might not mean much to folks not in the U.S.) Talk about cultural penetration.Kosmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05156165962330239126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-51812322110913856562008-08-15T21:00:00.000+03:002008-08-15T21:00:00.000+03:00I see that National Geographic states that one Kif...I see that National Geographic states that one Kiffian was 6' 8".<BR/><BR/>I wonder where the herding Tenerians came from - could they be from the Near East and maybe R1b*, then headed south after the Sahara reverted to desert, to become the Northern Cameroonians of today?pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-51905395221521397092008-08-15T20:59:00.000+03:002008-08-15T20:59:00.000+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-45379470453104721262008-08-15T00:03:00.000+03:002008-08-15T00:03:00.000+03:00So were the Kiffians associated with the Rif Berbe...So were the Kiffians associated with the Rif Berbers, who are sometimes called <A HREF="http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/oldworld/africa/riffian.html" REL="nofollow">Riffians</A>?pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79331267430341594652008-08-14T23:56:00.000+03:002008-08-14T23:56:00.000+03:00Interestingly, New Scientist says that the Kiffian...Interestingly, New Scientist says that the Kiffians were up to 2 metres tall - or 6' 6" - while the NYT says 6' - I think Nick Wade got his math wrong?!pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-91603944533925095592008-08-14T22:00:00.000+03:002008-08-14T22:00:00.000+03:00Personally I think the Tenerians shouldve been mor...Personally I think the Tenerians shouldve been more healthier than the Kiffians. Fish and a farming guaranteed higher grade protein and continuous supply of nourishment on daily basis. Hunting large game is never a sure thing and wont exactly turn you into a superman either.Crimson Guardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08259882884691575025noreply@blogger.com