tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post6233099996953208588..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Back to (North) Africa (Henn et al. 2012)Dienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-84487602191104935922012-01-17T16:26:00.606+02:002012-01-17T16:26:00.606+02:00Dr. Pierre Zalloua's connection of Lebanese to...Dr. Pierre Zalloua's connection of Lebanese to older Mediterranian substata common to Tyre is credible. The Horim (Jewish ancestors) were related to the Tyrian royalty.Alice C. Linsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13069827354696169270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-12950466640370527502012-01-15T10:40:13.609+02:002012-01-15T10:40:13.609+02:0062 K in common with HGDP alone. OK for ADMIXTURE. ...62 K in common with HGDP alone. OK for ADMIXTURE. definitely OK for PCA.Razib Khanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09555115542918519593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-11582701333184766672012-01-15T03:00:21.075+02:002012-01-15T03:00:21.075+02:00"Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports ..."Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations" <br /><br />What was that about Y-chromosome haplogroup E again?terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-58172908320214904922012-01-15T00:14:29.532+02:002012-01-15T00:14:29.532+02:00hey guys have you noticed , pierre zalloua "t...hey guys have you noticed , pierre zalloua "the biased expert who has claimed that phoenicians were J2 Y DNA, lool " and many other lebanese are there while some DATA are not available"THE most Important one"?Azertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01455062388153757590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-62537310333004062352012-01-14T20:58:15.591+02:002012-01-14T20:58:15.591+02:00"Affymetrix ... only ~30k SNPs in common"..."Affymetrix ... only ~30k SNPs in common" <br />Very bad/sad. Hope future chips will be overlapping SNPs much better.EuroAlpinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12372887073211133083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-52973976744130900412012-01-14T20:45:15.635+02:002012-01-14T20:45:15.635+02:00I hope Dienekes does his own analysis on this data...<i>I hope Dienekes does his own analysis on this data-set soon.</i><br /><br />Due to the use of an Affymetrix chip, there are only ~30k SNPs in common between this data and the other data in my project/commercial data. If I ever update the 'africa9' calculator, I will probably take a look at this data, as that calculator is also based on a smaller number of markers.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-58694762698370611862012-01-14T17:28:41.811+02:002012-01-14T17:28:41.811+02:00The genomes from this study are available here:
h...The genomes from this study are available here:<br /><br />http://bhusers.upf.edu/dcomas/?p=607<br /><br />I hope Dienekes does his own analysis on this data-set soon.jes-rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13572668095214926909noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-66740824652258287272012-01-14T11:57:02.895+02:002012-01-14T11:57:02.895+02:00Nothing new here.
The estimation of West African ...Nothing new here.<br /><br />The estimation of West African influence is line with what we already know: most individuals of the very heterogenous southern Moroccan group are mixed (and some even mainly SSA!). Only 6 of them are typical north Africans. <br />Generally, at K=2, we can easily spot the outliers in all North African groups.<br /><br />The Tunisians are related to each other (we already know that too) so it's not useful at all, just like Mozabites. <br /><br />Anyway, hope the data will be available for the Dodecad Project.idurarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02495983806915661998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-55389813672583942112012-01-13T20:18:09.573+02:002012-01-13T20:18:09.573+02:00We estimate that a migration of western African or...We estimate that a migration of western African origin into Morocco began about 40 generations ago (approximately 1,200 ya); a migration of individuals with Nilotic ancestry into Egypt occurred about 25 generations ago (approximately 750 ya).<br /><br />These dates seem to fit in pretty well with the transaharan slave trade among other historical phenomena.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656563742645201926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-89653308784123267662012-01-13T20:05:09.124+02:002012-01-13T20:05:09.124+02:00What's up with the Tunisians? Are the samples ...What's up with the Tunisians? Are the samples closely related or is this a genuine cluster? If so is this some kind of Phoenician mix going on, that shakes out at higher K?<br /><br />Are the Bulala in any way related to the Garamantes?<br /><br />Old map based on Ptolemy's, showing the Garamantes just north of the river Ger, which is probably the Niger:<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ravenna_Cosmography_1889_Africa_crop.jpgpconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-84207292028089246502012-01-13T17:45:50.902+02:002012-01-13T17:45:50.902+02:00I think what essentially genetically distinguishes...I think what essentially genetically distinguishes the Tunisian Berber population from North Africans in general is that the ancestors of the Tunisian Berber population became isolated during the Islamic era and as a result was not genetically affected by the Trans-Saharan slave trade, which is largely an Islamic era phaenomenon.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-28171757186827405922012-01-13T16:47:54.626+02:002012-01-13T16:47:54.626+02:00One more paper that shows us that in most places t...One more paper that shows us that in most places there is no easy one way tree-like gene flow. And even the ways of aDNA, Y and mt are pretty different. Genome-wide SNP genotyping array data (730,000 sites) and ADMIXTURE versus PCADMIX sounds interesting. I guess the sample data is not publicated? Hope more of this type of papers will follow on interesting population isolates in Europe and surrounding regions.EuroAlpinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12372887073211133083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-55950240075274855012012-01-13T15:04:36.108+02:002012-01-13T15:04:36.108+02:00The Tunisian Berber population seems to have been ...The Tunisian Berber population seems to have been extremely isolated during the recent centuries. This makes it unreliable as a Berber population. Any inferences regarding Berbers and North Africans in general based on this Tunisian Berber population should be regarded with caution. The ADMIXTURE component modal in the Tunisian Berber population must be nothing but an artificial result of the extreme recent isolation of that community. This is apparent from the fact that at K=2 the Tunisian Berber individuals are indistinguishable from non- or almost non-recent-Negroid-admixed North African individuals irrespective of language while they are all distinguished from Europeans and non- or almost non-recent-Negroid-admixed Qataris.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-43234095053087591802012-01-13T03:45:05.024+02:002012-01-13T03:45:05.024+02:00what about the Haplogroup results "Y dna and ...what about the Haplogroup results "Y dna and mtDNA ?<br /><br />I think the only Biggest problem there was the SSA.Azertyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01455062388153757590noreply@blogger.com