tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post6122442272721107390..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Merovingian mtDNADienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-89101799443603980572013-12-13T20:15:21.923+02:002013-12-13T20:15:21.923+02:00In regard to noble bloodlines, I think if there wa...In regard to noble bloodlines, I think if there was something to gain from any sort of bond between families or individuals; I see no reason why it should not have happened. For instance, it is said that Augustus II the Strong had 267 children with numerous mistresses.One of his mistresses was a Turkish prisoner of war, resulting in 2 children that he recognized as legitimate and declared them Counts.<br />"Frederick Augustus Rutowsky& Maria Anna Katharina Rutowska"<br /><br />I think a smaller house would be pickier in regard to ancestry as a result to maintain status, than an omnipotent ruler or house.Katharóshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16649693310029639154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-87421948619219186012013-12-11T04:45:11.176+02:002013-12-11T04:45:11.176+02:00"There is nothing weird here that I can see. ..."There is nothing weird here that I can see. Typical random mix."<br /><br />Well, there certainly were some people who expected special genetic identity from European upper class lineages. Certainly the Merovingians have generated a lot of claims about bloodlines for a long time. Nowadays just google "Merovingian bloodlines." The random mix messes with an idea of northerners not "intermixing" with others that goes back to Tacitus. At least as far is maternal DNA, this finding severely contradicts some expectations.LivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79200254788141124382013-12-10T23:42:12.124+02:002013-12-10T23:42:12.124+02:00"The mtDNA haplotypes are available on my blo..."The mtDNA haplotypes are available on my blog: http://secherbernard.blog.free.fr/index.php?post/2013/09/23/Tests-d-ADN-ancien-sur-les-restes-humains-d-une-n%C3%A9cropole-m%C3%A9rovingienne-de-Gironde"<br /><br />I am truly impressed by the quality of those stone caskets. <br /><br />Casket 1<br />Male 60<br />Female 15-19<br />Both J.<br />(siblings?, cousin marriage?)<br /><br />Casket 2<br />Female 15-19 H/K<br />Female 20-39 K<br />perinatal H<br />(first wife who died in childbirth and second wife?)<br /><br />Casket 3<br />Male 50+ X2<br />Male 50+ W<br />Female 20-29 Unknown.<br />(half brothers and someone's wife?)<br /><br />There is nothing weird here that I can see. Typical random mix. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-33380967501882926302013-12-09T21:53:07.297+02:002013-12-09T21:53:07.297+02:00The mtDNA haplotypes are available on my blog: htt...The mtDNA haplotypes are available on my blog: http://secherbernard.blog.free.fr/index.php?post/2013/09/23/Tests-d-ADN-ancien-sur-les-restes-humains-d-une-n%C3%A9cropole-m%C3%A9rovingienne-de-GirondeBernardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315331235019626444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-84604209937426213252013-12-09T01:00:49.416+02:002013-12-09T01:00:49.416+02:00Has anyone seen the J sequence? Does it by chance...Has anyone seen the J sequence? Does it by chance match Richard II's? He had Continental royal ancestry on his mother's side.mooreisbetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17522884275516185288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79309661029613067362013-12-08T22:40:47.528+02:002013-12-08T22:40:47.528+02:00This actually does address an important issue in h...This actually does address an important issue in historical European genetics. The Merovingians are the first real instance in northern Europe where one finds the concept of lineage and inherited rule emerge out of essentially pre-history and myth. <br /><br />Recorded history suggest the family ruled most of the Franks for almost 300 years, and were a model for inherited succession for the rest of northwestern Europe for centuries afterwards.<br /><br />It's a bit of a shock to see such wide diversity in the mtDNA. Partly because these Frankish rulers were so novelly dynastic in the north. And partly because some historians have put some emphasis on their homogeny. <br /><br />A lot of people speak of the Early Bronze Age as a time of change in northern European genetics. But results like this perhaps suggest that the Roman and the early middle ages may have been as much or more of a change in the genetic heritages of modern Europeans.LivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29743779974199683072013-12-08T22:39:51.199+02:002013-12-08T22:39:51.199+02:00This actually does address an important issue in h...This actually does address an important issue in historical European genetics. The Merovingians are the first real instance in northern Europe where one finds the concept of lineage and inherited rule emerge out of essentially pre-history and myth. <br /><br />Recorded history suggest the family ruled most of the Franks for almost 300 years, and were a model for inherited succession for the rest of northwestern Europe for centuries afterwards.<br /><br />It's a bit of a shock to see such wide diversity in the mtDNA. Partly because these Frankish rulers were so novelly dynastic in the north. And partly because some historians have put some emphasis on their homogeny. <br /><br />A lot of people speak of the Early Bronze Age as a time of change in northern European genetics. But results like this perhaps suggest that the Roman and the early middle ages may have been as much or more of a change in the genetic heritages of modern Europeans.<br /><br />LivoniaGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05589404219598229067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-82584085820326640502013-12-08T09:56:49.787+02:002013-12-08T09:56:49.787+02:00The interest of this paper is to see the relations...The interest of this paper is to see the relationship between the different skeletons in each sarcophagi. In the first sarcophagi two skeletons are maternally related: they are of the same haplotype of haplogroup J. In the second sarcophagi two young women are maternally related: they are of the same haplotype of haplogroup K. Oddly, the third skeleton: a baby is not maternally related to these two women. In the third sarcophagi, the skeletons are not maternally related.Bernardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315331235019626444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-3673751227911002142013-12-07T01:34:14.511+02:002013-12-07T01:34:14.511+02:00It is a fascinating story, but given the date in t...It is a fascinating story, but given the date in the Middle Ages, likely isn't very informative of larger issues of historical genetics.andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172964121659914379noreply@blogger.com