tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post6023265376843316942..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Sea Peoples invade: 1192–1190 BCDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-78814451822272469602011-06-15T18:39:56.442+03:002011-06-15T18:39:56.442+03:00"We know form Egyptian records that they mixe..."We know form Egyptian records that they mixed with 'Libyans' at times."<br /><br />I remember pictures showing Libu with nearly the same feathered headdresses as some group of Sea Peoples. It could have gotten to the point that they became hard to distinguish, even for their next door neighbors in Egypt.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07187836541591828806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-61313287743925839472011-06-15T06:05:47.886+03:002011-06-15T06:05:47.886+03:00"Very likely that these groups of people call..."Very likely that these groups of people called the sea's people mixed with other groups during their travels" <br /><br />We know form Egyptian records that they mixed with 'Libyans' at times.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-90627810262300780572011-06-15T01:08:34.405+03:002011-06-15T01:08:34.405+03:00and that the resulting wars between Greek communit...<i>and that the resulting wars between Greek communities leads some to go into exile and become Sea People. </i><br /><br />Much like the Viking invasions.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-73118887334740803822011-06-15T00:23:38.759+03:002011-06-15T00:23:38.759+03:00One plausible "fundamental" cause for Br...One plausible "fundamental" cause for Bronze Age collapse that has been proposed is one in which climate shift/drought leads to food scarcity which leads to infighting among the various communities within Bronze Age societies (an intercommunity tie acid bath if you will), and that the resulting wars between Greek communities leads some to go into exile and become Sea People.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71092024203491198822011-06-14T15:27:28.875+03:002011-06-14T15:27:28.875+03:00Very likely that these groups of people called the...Very likely that these groups of people called the sea's people mixed with other groups during their travels, similar to what happened during the Celtic expansion.<br />It is not surprising to find that individuals in the same group were so different.<br /><br />There is no evidence of an invasion of Greece from the north, even the famous letters of Pilo shows that city dwellers expect attacks from the sea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-51358226324312934672011-06-10T15:58:35.602+03:002011-06-10T15:58:35.602+03:00I don’t have the full text, but the text below ref...I don’t have the full text, but the text below refers to 5 Philistine skulls from Azor which were studied.<br /><br />People of the sea: the search for the Philistines<br />Trude Krakauer Dothan, Moshe Dothan<br /> Macmillan, 1992 – Page 113<br /><br />“Not a single Mediterranean type was found in Azor. The most striking feature of the tiny population was its surprising diversity. Two of the five showed clear characteristics of the brachycephalic, or "short-headed, " Armenoid or Dinaric classes, probably of Balkan or Asia Minor origin. One was a “short-headed” Alpine type of central Europe. One jaw pointed to another short-headed type of indeterminate subgroup. And the last was a skull that contained mixed Mediterranean and and short-headed characteristics.”Katharóshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16649693310029639154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-39081889587140605222011-06-10T10:12:56.435+03:002011-06-10T10:12:56.435+03:00"The arrow that crosses from Thrace into Asia..."The arrow that crosses from Thrace into Asia Minor could potentially be linked to the Phrygians who crossed into Asia in the first quarter of the 12th century BC". <br /><br />That was my thought on seeing it too. <br /><br />"The arrow going down from Epirus is pretty arbitrary, I think, although it is possible that the Dorian-Makednon tribal group may have experienced pressure from the north during this time which caused it to move southwards from Epirus into Sterea Hellas and finally, at the close of the 12th c. BC". <br /><br />Possiblky the Dorians in fact?terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-13128914702494391242011-06-10T01:32:03.237+03:002011-06-10T01:32:03.237+03:00Perseids should be Pelopids in the above.Perseids should be Pelopids in the above.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-80526534029185475412011-06-10T01:27:17.190+03:002011-06-10T01:27:17.190+03:00So it looks like some group were attacking the Gre...<i>So it looks like some group were attacking the Greek principalities from the North, which in turn forced them to flee to new lands to the South.</i><br /><br />The authors never mention anything about the "inland invasions" they mark in their figure.<br /><br />The arrow that crosses from Thrace into Asia Minor could potentially be linked to the Phrygians who crossed into Asia in the first quarter of the 12th century BC.<br /><br />The arrow going down from Epirus is pretty arbitrary, I think, although it is possible that the Dorian-Makednon tribal group may have experienced pressure from the north during this time which caused it to move southwards from Epirus into Sterea Hellas and finally, at the close of the 12th c. BC.<br /><br />I don't, however, really see evidence for this "pressure", and I prefer the traditional account that the Heraclids had been exiled from the Peloponnese by the Perseids before the Trojan War, and afterwards led the Dorians to re-capture it, succeeding after several failed attempts.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-43510294699476871012011-06-10T01:18:34.849+03:002011-06-10T01:18:34.849+03:00Who were these Northern invaders/barbarians??
Dor...<i>Who were these Northern invaders/barbarians??</i><br /><br />Dorian Greeks?Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22932434295941862942011-06-10T00:15:24.234+03:002011-06-10T00:15:24.234+03:00So it looks like some group were attacking the Gre...So it looks like some group were attacking the Greek principalities from the North, which in turn forced them to flee to new lands to the South.<br /><br />Reminds me of the Visigoth invasion of the Balkans at the hands of the Huns.<br /><br />Who were these Northern invaders/barbarians??pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-50665270412709502862011-06-09T20:14:44.725+03:002011-06-09T20:14:44.725+03:00The evidence from Gibala and the Philistine's ...The evidence from Gibala and the Philistine's combined effectively proves the case that the Mycenaeans were the Sea People from merely persuasive among several plausible to candidates, to proof beyond a reasonable doubt that pretty much rules out the alternatives. <br /><br />Until these two recent discoveries, other candidates seemed viable. Now, they do not, at least in the Levant.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26010073967796862542011-06-09T20:04:07.569+03:002011-06-09T20:04:07.569+03:00looks like an older version of the crusadeslooks like an older version of the crusadeslarshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12330643093343000590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-82144375870426353732011-06-09T06:41:25.536+03:002011-06-09T06:41:25.536+03:00"However, the lack of a stratified radiocarbo..."However, the lack of a stratified radiocarbon-based archaeology for the Sea People event has led to a floating historical chronology derived from a variety of sources spanning dispersed areas". <br /><br />But hadn't most of us already come to the conclusions offered in this paper? I'll admit some have included Sardinians in the picture but surely it is more likely that the Shardana settled there after. Same with Danaan and Shekelesh, and so on.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.com