tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post579725185840584445..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Guess the origin of these four compositesDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-61707468499737455332010-02-08T17:13:32.157+02:002010-02-08T17:13:32.157+02:00vast majority of romanians (as typical balkan peop...vast majority of romanians (as typical balkan people have olive skin dark hair and brown eyes. Just look the anthropology maps of Europe about average pigmentations. (Or go to these countries.)Ádámhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07645604345012991695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-49044147215610168392010-02-08T17:10:25.380+02:002010-02-08T17:10:25.380+02:00About Hungarian pigmentation. Look anthropology ma...About Hungarian pigmentation. Look anthropology maps. Type in google image searcher: "hair color map" or type: "eye color map".<br />Black hair is not Hungarian, only gypsy (roma) jewish and descendantsd of southern-slavic people have dark-black hair in Hungary.Ádámhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07645604345012991695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-77366991067857893592010-01-18T06:39:45.058+02:002010-01-18T06:39:45.058+02:00And the Israeli of the other thread I was tempted ...<i>And the Israeli of the other thread I was tempted to say "Palestinian" though I opted for "North African but maybe too light". How many Arab players does the Israeli selection have?</i><br /><br />Exactly my thoughts - although the players may just (as in many sports and many countries) come from slightly underprivileged portions of the society, and thus e.g. not represent Ashkenazim very well.<br /><br />Soccer players don't necessarily represent the entire society very well. For another example, until recently, there were few players from the the Eastern German states in the Bundesliga (with Ballack being one notable exceptions).eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-17658823122884897472010-01-17T17:27:13.034+02:002010-01-17T17:27:13.034+02:00The Spaniard blend's apportions are very simil...The Spaniard blend's apportions are very similar to the Hungarian of the other thread, just that the Hungarian is blonder. <br /><br />The Portuguese blend is also similar to the Spaniard (how can't it) but I find it a little more "Greek" (in fact the blend reminds me to Dienekes in one of his avatars somewhat), that's why I think I called him "undefined South European".<br /><br />The Romanian and the Polish are also very similar. And the Israeli of the other thread I was tempted to say "Palestinian" though I opted for "North African but maybe too light". How many Arab players does the Israeli selection have?Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-1932620966985040362010-01-17T10:45:04.987+02:002010-01-17T10:45:04.987+02:00Yeah, and I actually called the Romanian face (and...Yeah, and I actually called the Romanian face (and two others, approximately) in the second post of the thread.<br /><br />The Spanish face and the Portuguese from the other group (understandably) look quite similar. Although I maintain that there is something northern Alpine about the Spanish face - you can see similar (although with a bit German-ness mixed in) faces from Switzerland to East Bavaria, and even North into Saxony. See, e.g., Michael Ballack: http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/17989/29_2007/HBWrxAqJ_Pxgen_r_467xA.jpgeurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-86372885628092398592010-01-16T11:41:34.369+02:002010-01-16T11:41:34.369+02:00I said before I wanted to make a remark as soon as...I said before I wanted to make a remark as soon as the answers were officially posted, and this is how extremely different are the Romanian and the Spaniard averages! <br /><br />I say because for example a "Romance" classification, as suggested in the original post would have been totally misleading. And I still have vague memories of Dienekes defending blood closeness between these two extremely different (within Europe) populations just because they speak related tongues (supposedly related to Roman genetic and not just cultural and political expansion). These composites evidence that Romanians cluster with Central or Eastern Europeans and not at all with SW Europeans.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-74980052812868968812010-01-16T04:28:32.384+02:002010-01-16T04:28:32.384+02:00its not onl the symetry that makes "averaged&...its not onl the symetry that makes "averaged" faces beautiful.<br /><br />Its because we dont like things that look not normal.<br /><br />In an "averaged" face, there are only things wich are "normal".<br /><br />There was a beauty test.<br />people had to vote 1-7 (7 cutest and 1 ugliest).<br /><br />They put some averaged faces in it. (fixed the hair and all, that it looks normal)<br /><br />The best REAL girl got a average vote of 3.7 (from 7 possible)<br /><br />The best computergenerated face reached 6.1 (from 7 possible)<br /><br />With girls, the absolute highest possible cuteness is reached by:<br /><br />1. Average a face from a lot of faces<br /><br />2. Bring it to the proportions of a child.<br /><br />Kind of scary however. ;)<br /><br /><br />Example:<br /><br />Women with proportions of an adult:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/kindchenschema/kindfrau_c/kindfrau_c_100_gr.jpg<br /><br />Exactly the same face, but blended 50% into the proportions of a childs face:<br /><br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/kindchenschema/kindfrau_c/kindfrau_c_50_gr.jpgFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-38239818181958578722010-01-15T19:03:59.034+02:002010-01-15T19:03:59.034+02:00"...maybe is the smile and the artificial &qu..."...maybe is the smile and the artificial "perfection" created by the illusory composite."<br /><br />Yeah, these guys are all improved by the artificially perfect symmetry.read ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631238731651674916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79644013559121494442010-01-15T16:53:29.635+02:002010-01-15T16:53:29.635+02:00BR is beautiful, (and TR isn't bad either!) an...BR is beautiful, (and TR isn't bad either!) and I can't see him as anything other than Italian, unless perhaps from southern France or Iberia. Actually, other than TL I think you could find all of them in one part or another of the Italian peninsula or islands. Even TL is not that different from some of the Italians in the Istria area. If I had to choose different areas. TL Slavic of some sort, TR southern, or southeastern Europe (southern Italy, Greece or Turkey), BL, central Europe(Slovakia, even Austria?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18374008788131939663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37904711976094717992010-01-15T05:09:21.903+02:002010-01-15T05:09:21.903+02:00Bottom right is so beautiful; he's gotta be Gr...<i>Bottom right is so beautiful; he's gotta be Greek</i>.<br /><br />I know the answers by now and nope (that doesn't mean that he does not have some Greek blood). He's kinda cute indeed but maybe is the smile and the artificial "perfection" created by the illusory composite. <br /><br />Anyhow, I want Dienekes to post the answers officially, because I want to make a remark and I'm biting my tongue already for too many hours. :)Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-75705865804152263032010-01-15T02:22:23.677+02:002010-01-15T02:22:23.677+02:00Bottom right is so beautiful; he's gotta be Gr...Bottom right is so beautiful; he's gotta be Greek.read ithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00631238731651674916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-84951400217531606022010-01-14T13:42:17.630+02:002010-01-14T13:42:17.630+02:00TL : Polish-Ukrainian
TR : Italian-Greek
BL : Hung...TL : Polish-Ukrainian<br />TR : Italian-Greek<br />BL : Hungarian<br />BR : IberianUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495707038101665256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-8493489701092580852010-01-13T15:30:39.078+02:002010-01-13T15:30:39.078+02:00"2 - Romanian (undoubtedly)"
Romanian ..."2 - Romanian (undoubtedly)" <br /><br />Romanian speaking here. I too found it to be simmilar to a type found in Romania, particularly in the southern areas and among the urban population, which I believe is due to historical (from Roman times up to the Phanariotes) mediterranean influence. Though, as said, found in Romania (e.g. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&source=hp&q=dragos+bucurenci&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=7slNS4zLH5yI_Abiv_mfDg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCsQsAQwAw), I nonetheless classified it as Balkan (but not Greek, as it doesn't exhibit the saggy eyelids and cheeks I associate with Eastern Mediterraneans), since it was the bottom left picture which bears a striking similarity to a type very commonly found in Romania, particularly in the countryside (but I admit that they will rather tend to be more brachi (dinarid?) than the alpinid type presented above)Der Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12166603304331471676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-40318462156248245602010-01-13T11:46:02.050+02:002010-01-13T11:46:02.050+02:001 - Ukrainian, Belorussian
2 - Romanian (undoubted...1 - Ukrainian, Belorussian<br />2 - Romanian (undoubtedly)<br />3 - German and Poland, maybe Finno-Ugrian, Russian<br />4 - French, GermanAndriihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11419391847947575279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88805935364687326492010-01-13T10:52:35.130+02:002010-01-13T10:52:35.130+02:00The list you're posting definitively places Ir...The list you're posting definitively places Irish in an "Atlantid" (West Med to Nordid) mesocephalic, long-headed continuum. However I was thinking in other not much less representative types like Martin McGuinness, Bertie Ahern or Mary Coughlan, who indeed show a broader face type with "alpinid" affinities, that is not uncommon in Ireland anyhow.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-50938554518836703972010-01-13T08:08:55.573+02:002010-01-13T08:08:55.573+02:00I would rate someone like Aidan Quinn as being typ...I would rate someone like Aidan Quinn as being typically Irish, and he, like myself, comes from the Center of Ireland - blue eyes, light brown hair, thin lips and/or narrow mouth, narrow nose whether long or short, well developed chin, no brow ridges, relatively close set eyes:<br />http://kateblogsworth.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/aidan_quinn_1013_3.jpg<br /><br />You get a darker type in the South West, like Roy Keane - who still has the narrow mouth, narrow nose, well developed chin, no brow ridges:<br />http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jh9PRrif-2c/SKwVWWoBRlI/AAAAAAAAAjI/c-P1aHbM5d4/s400/roy_keane.jpg<br /><br />Of the 4 images presented, none really has a very narrow nose, all have fuller lips, BL has brow ridges, only BR has closer eyes and a well developed chin.pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-11115464961150918352010-01-13T07:40:00.035+02:002010-01-13T07:40:00.035+02:00I hate to bring up Hollywood but I will anyways.
T...I hate to bring up Hollywood but I will anyways.<br />Take the following Irish actors or those of Irish descent. <br /><br />-Colin Farrell, Pierce Brosnan, Liam Neeson, Cillian Murphy, Johnathan Rhys Meyers, Matthew McConaughey.<br /><br />All of whom have dolichocephalic heads and are truly representative of the West European skull shape which seem predominant in North and South Europe as well, as well as among Germans. There are a minority of Irish that do have broad skulls, as well as some West Europeans who fit that category but it is in the minority for sure.AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-42903777498310181462010-01-13T02:31:14.753+02:002010-01-13T02:31:14.753+02:00"You're kidding right?!"
I was ac..."You're kidding right?!" <br /><br />I was actually, although for some obscure reason I did think of Ireland quite qickly when I saw the arrangement. I suspect it was the fact that there is quite a diversity even just within Ireland. But no-one I've seen in or from Ireland has such tightly curley hair as a couple of them have. And, as you say, even the top left doesn't really look Irish.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-77174801057082853262010-01-13T02:08:13.894+02:002010-01-13T02:08:13.894+02:00Per Bauchet'07, Iberian (non-Basque) component...Per Bauchet'07, Iberian (non-Basque) component is more commonly found in England than in Ireland. Basque component is the opposite. Whatever the case they are minor components in either island.<br /><br />That doesn't mean that people may not look the same occasionally but must be for some other reasons (like older relations not reflected in autosomal clustering or whatever). What I say about broadfaced blond (or red haired) rather pale Irish is true in my experience. I'd even dare say that darker types might be more common in Great Britain in fact.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-40477976594271607332010-01-13T01:42:43.661+02:002010-01-13T01:42:43.661+02:00Maju, although some people from Irish descent told...Maju, although some people from Irish descent told me a story about quite some of the Spaniards from the Armada surviving in Ireland in spite of it all:<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Armada_in_Ireland<br /><br />I do know two Irish who looked Spanish to me, only that they looked as if they hadn't seen light for at least 400 years :-)Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-49598051513628803632010-01-13T00:44:21.189+02:002010-01-13T00:44:21.189+02:00This reminds me to average face experiments of a G...This reminds me to average face experiments of a German university.<br /><br />that was however not on race but on beauty.<br /><br />face form 32 male faces blended together:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/durchschnittsgesichter/m%2801-32%29_gr.jpg<br /><br />Dont know if all 32 had been Germans. The blended one looks rather dark...<br /><br />64 female faces blended into one:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/durchschnittsgesichter/w%2801-64%29_gr.jpg<br /><br />100 randomly picked people, ugliest 4 females blended:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/schemaanpassungen/w%281-4%29-g_an_supermorph-s_gr.jpg<br /><br />100 randomly picked people, most attractive 4 blended into 1:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/schemaanpassungen/w%2861-64%29-g_an_supermorph-s_gr.jpg<br /><br />same for male:<br />most ugly 4 males blended:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/prototypen/m_unsexy_gr.jpg<br /><br />most attractive 4 males blended:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/prototypen/m_sexy_gr.jpg<br /><br />"Virtual Miss Germany"<br />8 local beautyqueens blended into 1:<br />http://www.beautycheck.de/cmsms/uploads/images/bilder/missgermany/virtuellemiss_gr.jpgFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37793364759957240692010-01-12T22:30:07.133+02:002010-01-12T22:30:07.133+02:00On the Irish thingy, I'd say that IMO the bott...On the Irish thingy, I'd say that IMO the bottom left guy is not that far from some Irish phenotypes, though Irish faces are normally quite more rugged (deeper nasion for instance). But there is an "alpinoid/CM" tendency in the Islands, which is not necesarily brachi anyhow (I am brachi and I am longfaced too), just broad-faced. <br /><br />The bottom right guy is probably too dark for Ireland, though in overall face type is not that far maybe. The two top guys are just too clearly oriental.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-67959806662152926682010-01-12T22:12:59.647+02:002010-01-12T22:12:59.647+02:00TL: Serbian or Croatian
TR: Italian
BL: Polish
BR:...TL: Serbian or Croatian<br />TR: Italian<br />BL: Polish<br />BR: FrenchUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11509954348536523720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-76343811750314039622010-01-12T21:52:19.721+02:002010-01-12T21:52:19.721+02:00LT = Slavic
RT = Greek or Balkans or Southern Ital...LT = Slavic<br />RT = Greek or Balkans or Southern Italy<br />LB = Southern Germany/Swizerland/Northern Italy/<br />RB = Portuguese (or a Spaniard)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06928934605037678384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-51616419671839544862010-01-12T21:26:48.041+02:002010-01-12T21:26:48.041+02:00"You're kidding right?!"
I think he..."You're kidding right?!"<br /><br />I think he was. Generally, I would classify West Europeans (including Southern Europe, and North Europe) in the dolichocephalic category, or as I refer to it, "oval-headed". Obviously, there are exceptions but brachycephaly is not that common.AWoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14966600445259901063noreply@blogger.com