tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post5349025503903934603..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Mesolithic Iberians (La Braña-Arintero) not ancestors of modern onesDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-30539009238377166082014-12-17T12:02:00.620+02:002014-12-17T12:02:00.620+02:00For whatever reason, I have a lot of La-Brana-1. L...For whatever reason, I have a lot of La-Brana-1. Looking at my Eurogene's only on Gedmatch, it is 25%, the rest is Irish and Spanish Galica. Since I already know which Grandparent that comes from (mostly), I would say all the way back to the Fitzgerald's when they left Italy and came to Ireland. There is an King Niall line in there too so that's some more Irish or Scottish. I have a little Swedish and Finish as well but not sure where that comes from. My Mom has very dark skin and Emerald Green Eyes. My Brother looks like her. If I get any sun at all I start to look like that too, very light eyes, dark skin and my Daughter with her Blonde hair and light eyes would get so dark her classmates would stare at her and ask "What are you"? Here is a copy of the result if it will help. <br />Gedmatch.Com<br />Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle<br />Using 2 populations approximation:<br />1 50% South_Dutch +50% Swedish @ 8.009503<br /><br /><br />Using 3 populations approximation:<br />1 50% Irish +25% La_Brana-1 +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 7.315225<br /><br /><br />Using 4 populations approximation:<br />1 French + La_Brana-1 + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.061912<br />2 Tatar + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.076351<br />3 French + Irish + La_Brana-1 + West_Scottish @ 7.104671<br />4 French + Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 @ 7.166987<br />5 Irish + Tatar + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.206831<br />6 French + La_Brana-1 + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 7.235892<br />7 La_Brana-1 + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.244399<br />8 Southwest_English + Tatar + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.247712<br />9 Irish + La_Brana-1 + Spanish_Galicia + West_Scottish @ 7.271399<br />10 French + Irish + La_Brana-1 + Orcadian @ 7.290482<br />11 Orcadian + Tatar + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.299511<br />12 Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 + Spanish_Galicia @ 7.315225<br />13 French + La_Brana-1 + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 7.332187<br />14 French + North_Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 7.337672<br />15 Irish + Irish + Tatar + West_Scottish @ 7.354294<br />16 French + Irish + North_Swedish + Swedish @ 7.370587<br />17 French + Irish + La_Brana-1 + Southwest_English @ 7.371592<br />18 Irish + Southwest_English + Tatar + West_Scottish @ 7.373393<br />19 Finnish + French + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.385004<br />20 La_Brana-1 + Portuguese + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.387310Model on a Bottle (tm)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17755840206584648800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-36415518485418607212013-06-25T09:26:26.325+03:002013-06-25T09:26:26.325+03:00I have narrowed it further down to the Saamis.
ht...I have narrowed it further down to the Saamis.<br /><br />http://fennoscandia.blogspot.no/2013/06/la-brana-and-saamis-ii.htmlAnders Pålsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13444056522800105747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29172271334631348702013-06-06T09:01:37.648+03:002013-06-06T09:01:37.648+03:00Here is another analysis of the La Braña individua...Here is another analysis of the La Braña individuals.<br /><br />http://fennoscandia.blogspot.no/2013/05/la-brana-and-modern-european-variation.htmlAnders Pålsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13444056522800105747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-2354943528368651962012-07-03T04:40:02.369+03:002012-07-03T04:40:02.369+03:00I am not interested in people arguing just to rein...I am not interested in people arguing just to reinforce their belief system.<br /><br />Those Epipaleolithic Europeans and that Copper Age European are thousands of years removed from modern Europeans. Logically no one in Europe would share any dna with those antique Europeans, after all, most people don't share dna with all their great grandparents other than general ones that are part of the general human genome.<br /><br />All those studies retrieved less than the optimum amount of dna and the studies using those truncated amounts of dna are dubious. It is logical to compare dna from living humans or recently living humans with each other using varous algorithms to work out relationships and admixture but with humans separated by thousands of years compared to living humans is only going to produce strange results. It is better to compare like with like, that is, living humans with living humans, Epipaleolithic Europeans with other Mesolithic and early Neolithic Europeans or humans from same era and epoch. Forcing antique dna into the modern human pattern can only produce spurious results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-23685606390949131662012-07-02T07:59:01.422+03:002012-07-02T07:59:01.422+03:00I hope Maju and Dienekes never stop; it's so e...I hope Maju and Dienekes never stop; it's so entertaining.Justinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14658198296423491764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-55667573328054821702012-07-01T21:33:48.745+03:002012-07-01T21:33:48.745+03:00Dienekes said:
" In the latter PCA, where t...Dienekes said:<br /><br /><i><br />" In the latter PCA, where the origin of each Iberian sample is known, it is possible to see that the Mesolithic specimens are not related to modern Basques, contrary to what has been previously suggested in some recent studies [39]."</i><br /><br />A quick look at Figure-3 and Figure-S3 reveals that by related the authors had assume that the Basques would be exact genetic copies of Mesolithic Europeans, or rather that the Basques could be the closest modern Europeans to them.<br /><br />Nonetheless Figure-S3 which was used by the study to assert the relationship between Basques and Mesolithic Europeans was also said by the authors to yield an unclear geographic structure due to the small number of SNPs, i.e.<br /><br />Sanchez.Quinto.et.al.2012<br /><br /><i>A worldwide genomic principal component analysis (PCA) with data from the 1000 Genomes Project [31] places La Braña 1 and 2 near, but not within the variation of current European populations (Figure S2). However, when compared exclusively to European populations, La Braña 1 and 2 fall closer to Northern European populations such as CEU and Great Britons than Southern European groups such as<br />Iberians or Tuscans (Figure 3). [b]With 1KGPomni chip [31] data, the PCA generates a similar pattern (Figure S3), although the general geographic structure is less clear because of the limited number of SNPs (see Supplemental Experimental Procedures).[/b]</i><br /><br /><br />In fact, the distribution (scattered all over the graph instead of plotting in a single spot) of Basques should give clues as to the effect of using a low number of SNP is causing.<br /><br /><br />Dienekes said:<br /><i> Of course my results are not an illusion, what you fail to understand -or perhaps don't want to understand- is that no matter what one puts in the program, it will come up with a set of numbers adding up to 100%. You erroneously interpret this as indicating that "Atlantic_Med" is all pre-Neolithic. Well, I can't help you with your lack of education or common sense, the information is there for anyone who is intellectually honest.</i><br /><br /><br />Well what do you make of the Northwestern European component being the most akin to describe the genome of these Hunter Gatherers. You said not too long ago that:<br /><br /><i>“The "Northwestern" component represents the pre-Megalithic first farmers of Northwestern Europe, consisting of Linearbandkeramik farmers emanating from Central Europe and admixing with pre-farming Atlantic hunter-gatherers. <br />”</i><br /><br /><br />So let me guess, because the Northwestern component has some pre-farming Atlantic HG genes, it probably worked best, right!!! But, if these component is heavy on the farmers gene, as you claimed before that any pre-farming substratum is minimal, how come it fits at 89%. Of course we know that the program has to give the genomes the best fit from a limited number of populations, but wasn’t you who said that they would turn out to be mostly of not fully Northern European in K12b? <br /><br /><br />Also, how come that when given the choice of only European populations in a PCA analysis, these individuals plot right next to the NW Europeans, why don’t the cluster east of the Finns, or South of the Spaniards, or on the Southeast corner, since their outlier status in the European variation should manifest itself regardless of whether they are plot on a European or Worldwide PCA. After all, don’t Swedish Hunter Gatherers plot “East” of Russians and Finns, even in a European only PCA, thus showing that they had higher Eastern affinities than both, and that even in an intra-European plot they would still appear to be slightly outside of the European variation.jeanlohizunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216848866144458976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-23417960131335640642012-07-01T20:52:31.754+03:002012-07-01T20:52:31.754+03:00I understand that perfectly Dienekes but it does n...I understand that perfectly Dienekes but it does not come up with gibberish, as one can interpret the East African component. It does not come up with a random split in many components... it comes up precisely with those components that are specifically European. <br /><br />Otherwise, seriously, do you think that a quote is more important than the factual data? That's scholasticism, which is the opposite of science.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-24863929384312001062012-07-01T20:23:22.799+03:002012-07-01T20:23:22.799+03:00The only blind people are those who don't wish...<i>The only blind people are those who don't wish to see. </i><br /><br />I.e., you:<br /><br />" In the latter PCA, where the origin of each Iberian sample is known, it is possible to see that <b>the Mesolithic specimens are not related to modern Basques</b>, contrary to what has been previously suggested in some recent studies [39]."<br /><br /><i>And sure: your own Dodecad results are an illusion, c'mon! Go tell that to your Dodecad affiliates... all is a game of mirrors and what not! Sorry but the division of the K7 Atlantic-Baltic into K12 (North European + Atlantic-Med) happens all the time, regularly: it's almost an exact equation and happens here too, exactly as a expected. </i><br /><br />Of course my results are not an illusion, what you fail to understand -or perhaps don't want to understand- is that no matter what one puts in the program, it will come up with a set of numbers adding up to 100%. You erroneously interpret this as indicating that "Atlantic_Med" is all pre-Neolithic. Well, I can't help you with your lack of education or common sense, the information is there for anyone who is intellectually honest.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-69173108980912586152012-07-01T20:13:24.628+03:002012-07-01T20:13:24.628+03:00If you could run it with a more pure mediterranean...If you could run it with a more pure mediterranean than Atlanto-Med, like the Med component of the v3 K12, and that would give us a better picture on terms of his european composition, between East-West-Medtruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622344688109770244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-51940630541428903252012-07-01T20:03:30.141+03:002012-07-01T20:03:30.141+03:00There are two mtDNA H (H* and H6) in clearly Magda...There are two mtDNA H (H* and H6) in clearly Magdalenian contexts in two different sites of Cantabria, tested for AluI: <a href="http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0034417" rel="nofollow">Hervella 2012</a>.<br /><br />I personally asked Montserrat Hervella and her team chief, Concepción de la Rúa, if they tested for that, because some people (including myself) had doubts and the answer was a double and rotund YES, we tested for AluI. <br /><br />Also the distinct Epipaleolithic burial site of Linatzeta (or Linazeta) is well dated, whatever you say. On human bone itself: 7315±35 BP (radio-carbon, there are two more dates on charcoal) - <a href="http://www.aranzadi-zientziak.org/fileadmin/docs/Munibe/2008119131AA.pdf" rel="nofollow">ref</a>.<br /><br />The only blind people are those who don't wish to see. <br /><br />And sure: your own Dodecad results are an illusion, c'mon! Go tell that to your Dodecad affiliates... all is a game of mirrors and what not! Sorry but the division of the K7 Atlantic-Baltic into K12 (North European + Atlantic-Med) happens all the time, regularly: it's almost an exact equation and happens here too, exactly as a expected. <br /><br />You can also try to do direct comparisons instead of using zombies... if it is an artifact it will become apparent but so far it seems not.<br /><br />The only think anomalous (and very much so I admit) is the Eastern African component. That is very intriguing and may lead to a large number of speculations.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-30693592373410711322012-07-01T20:01:22.929+03:002012-07-01T20:01:22.929+03:00@Truth:
Thats why I mentioned, they had been in a...@Truth:<br /><br />Thats why I mentioned, they had been in a CAVE.<br /><br />Caves have the effect of stabile temperatures, after some distance to the entrance.<br /><br />I googled it and found that German caves are +8 degrees all around the year. even if its -20 degrees right in front of the entrance.<br /><br />Then I googled caves in Spain and found that they have a "constant +17 degrees all seasons"<br /><br />Means, even if there is snow outside.<br /><br />Iglus (artificial man-made snow caves that Inuit hunter gatherers build if they cant reach the base camp in time. And they build them in hours) for example reach between -5 and 0 degrees without a person and +15 degrees with 2 persons if its -30 degrees cold outside of it.<br /><br />I cant imagine 2 Greenlandish HGs digging themselfs into the snow and survive the nights while on a 2 weeks hunting trip in the polar ice, while 2 Spanish HGs freeze to death in a cave without a glacial maximum around and the polar ice in northern Italy or so. HeheheFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-91925883878294677932012-07-01T19:25:10.543+03:002012-07-01T19:25:10.543+03:00Don't forget to run the Brana composite with E...<i>Don't forget to run the Brana composite with Euro7 calculator.</i><br /><br />See updated post.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-15886306224379554992012-07-01T19:00:57.077+03:002012-07-01T19:00:57.077+03:00Wow, Dienekes, those Updated zombie analysis are m...<i>Wow, Dienekes, those Updated zombie analysis are most interesting! It means that, provided we can assume that these people are true Epipaleolithics (it's probable considering some contextual clues and their mountain habitat, not likely for first farmers, but by no means 100% certain), that your "Atlantic-Mediterranean" (Southwestern) component is pre-Neolithic. </i><br /><br />This certainly does NOT mean that the "Atlantic_Med" component is pre-Neolithic. <br /><br />Even if there was virtually no pre-Neolithic ancestry in modern Europeans, the algorithm would still pick a bunch of numbers that add up to 100% and would prefer clusters that are related to the little pre-Neolithic that there is.<br /><br />It's like having a scale that goes from white to a very light pink and then testing a bright red with it. Of course the algorithm will call the "bright red" 100% pink, even though the pink is actually composed of white with a very little red thrown in.<br /><br /><i>Adding that to the several mtDNA H findings of the last months, even in Magdalenian contexts, we can really conclude a good deal of pre-Neolithic continuity.</i><br /><br />There is no H in well-dated and well-described contexts in pre-Neolithic Europe, and I doubt there will be.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-27939653555865171842012-07-01T18:56:35.838+03:002012-07-01T18:56:35.838+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-42332370742023269372012-07-01T18:50:29.589+03:002012-07-01T18:50:29.589+03:00Fanty, no way 17 degrees all year round, In León,...Fanty, no way 17 degrees all year round, In León, were they were found, in modern winter the average is about 2-3 degrees, and snowfalls are quite common.truthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08622344688109770244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-78183639678262029452012-07-01T17:39:04.235+03:002012-07-01T17:39:04.235+03:00Wow, Dienekes, those Updated zombie analysis are m...Wow, Dienekes, those Updated zombie analysis are most interesting! It means that, provided we can assume that these people are true Epipaleolithics (it's probable considering some contextual clues and their mountain habitat, not likely for first farmers, but by no means 100% certain), that your "Atlantic-Mediterranean" (Southwestern) component is pre-Neolithic. <br /><br />Not just that but North African blood was also there before Neolithic, as I speculated in relation with South and West Iberian Solutrean and related North African Oranian.<br /><br />Adding that to the several mtDNA H findings of the last months, even in Magdalenian contexts, we can really conclude a good deal of pre-Neolithic continuity. <br /><br />Good work! I'm liking your K12 analysis: it is what was needed in this case, much better, much more informative than the messy PCAs of the paper. Thanks again.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-13353708600754937242012-07-01T17:21:43.556+03:002012-07-01T17:21:43.556+03:00"Can it be assumed that these guys (brothers?..."Can it be assumed that these guys (brothers?) froze to death?"<br /><br />Cant imagine this.<br /><br />1. Caves tend to have a year round stabile temperature. In modern Spain this is suposedly around 17 degress Celsius all 365 day the year.<br /><br />2. They are suposed to be "Hunter-Gatherer". I rate the ability of a hunter-gatherer to survive in the wilderness by far higher than that of a farmer.<br /><br />So, guys whos everyday life is to survive with what can be found in the wilderness, in a cave, in Spain, freezing to death like a new yorker, without a cellphone, lost in the forrest at night... no way.<br /><br />My bet goes for a burrial in a sleeping child position. Back in momies (earth) belly or something like this.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26001956354135471122012-07-01T07:12:05.614+03:002012-07-01T07:12:05.614+03:00I can't wait for true Mesolithic European rema...I can't wait for true Mesolithic European remains are dna mined to see the results. At the moment everyone is pussyfooting with European remains from the interface between the hunter/gatherers and the farmers in the post Holocene epoch, Neolithic period, about 7,000 years ago. The true test would be using ancient dna from sites in Europe proven to be pre Holocene, 12,000 years old. As I said, the pussyfooting just leaves lots of questions regarding how native European were these people, when did they arrive in Europe, where did they come from, and the results with such poor dna retrieval from the remains are spurious. As far as we know the mtDNA U5 in Europe is 9,500 years old, Cheddar Man. Why not retrieve more of his dna after all his skeleton was complete, lots of teeth? I have had enough of this piecemeal and poor scientific approach to find out the peopling of Europe. Remember all those tags, North European, Atlantic Baltic etc are just artifacts of those Admixture programs, and not truly reflecting the reality of the Mesolithic, Epipaleolithic and Neolithic cultural phases in Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-79006652610010437722012-07-01T05:03:45.215+03:002012-07-01T05:03:45.215+03:00Can it be assumed that these guys (brothers?) froz...Can it be assumed that these guys (brothers?) froze to death? They were crouching, which is what makes me think this. But I suppose they could have been arreanged in the foetal position as has happened in some burials. Is there any evidence of death ritual?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-24324434090460841102012-07-01T02:45:12.111+03:002012-07-01T02:45:12.111+03:00Hello Dienekes
Don't forget to run the Brana...Hello Dienekes<br /><br /><br />Don't forget to run the Brana composite with Euro7 calculator.Eduardo Pintohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09199139277049366469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22946392721823528502012-06-30T19:45:19.856+03:002012-06-30T19:45:19.856+03:00Dienekes said:
That is incorrect, Oetzi clusters ...Dienekes said:<br /><br /><i>That is incorrect, Oetzi clusters with Sardinians who are, last time I checked, Europeans. He clusters more specifically with Europeans (Figure 3a).</i><br /><br /><br />http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal/v3/n2/fig_tab/ncomms1701_F3.html<br /><br /><br />Well, the way I see it, is that Oetzi cluster right outside the European cluster in Figure-3a, but whatever man.<br /><br />Now, Figure-3b shows Oetzi with respect to Europeans only, would you care to argue how is it that the Swedish Hunter Gatherers do not cluster with Europeans, whereas Oetzi does:<br /><br /><br />http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rl1bw36vh5E/T5WCj36-KyI/AAAAAAAAEyQ/IgbXJAn3FPo/s1600/skoglund.png<br /><br /><br />I mean, if we are to consider the position where Oetzi clusters as being within Europeans, then it is clear than the Swedish HG samples do cluster within the European variation too. <br /><br /><br />As for your Global PCA plots, Onur beat me to it,you ought to use more European populations in order to recreate the plots of the study.jeanlohizunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00216848866144458976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-4672795771569620072012-06-30T16:03:06.039+03:002012-06-30T16:03:06.039+03:00Well, it is. In comparison to other non-U5b haplog...<i><br />Well, it is. In comparison to other non-U5b haplogroups. "Close" is a relative term.<br /></i><br /><br />@German Dziebel<br /><br />Sure, all U5b are closely related in the context of the modern human population as a whole, but not close at all in the context you discussed, the origins of modern Europeans - you wrote: <br /><br /><i>...the idea of Indo-European origin from West Asia. The Asian shift means rather the East Eurasian shift. U5b2c1 is closely related to the U5a and U5b found at high frequencies in Saami.</i> <br /><br />The authors of the paper make the same mistake in arguing that the commonality of U5b across early European hunter-gatherer populations is evidence of a cultural link between these peoples. And they have been criticized for this overreaching conclusion.<br /><br />The link between U5b daughter groups U5b1 and U5b2 was probably around the time of the last glacial maximum, and their expansion to Europe could have originated in refuge populations ranging from Iberia to Ukraine with very different migration histories. So you really cannot use U5b as a evidence of common connections in autosomal DNA among present day European populations. <br /><br /><i>I wouldn't trust the dates derived from the molecular clock.</i><br /><br />That is why the full genome sequence of this sample is so important - it gives us an independent age estimate for U5b2c1 that is older than the mean estimate calculated using the molecular clock and is at the very high end of the uncertainty range. Of course we need more full sequence testing of ancient remains to confirm, but this suggests that current molecular clocks could underestimate the age of mtDNA haplogroups. <br /><br />All ancient remains should be tested for the mtDNA full genome so that we can refine the molecular clock and so that we can identify real connections among ancient populations.GailThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00971924422676678998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-14729078682646734752012-06-30T14:01:31.825+03:002012-06-30T14:01:31.825+03:00@GailT
"U5b2c1 is definitely NOT closely rel...@GailT<br /><br />"U5b2c1 is definitely NOT closely related to the Saami signature U5b1b1a..."<br /><br />Well, it is. In comparison to other non-U5b haplogroups. "Close" is a relative term. What's important is that U5b is found at 4% in modern European populations, but at close to 50% in Saami (other western Uralic populations have elevated frequencies of U5b, too, with Karelians at 13%). This makes La Braña-Arintero individuals more like Saami, provided, of course, the western Euralic excess in U5b lineages wasn't caused by a bottleneck that drove the frequencies up from the European average of 4%.<br /><br />I wouldn't trust the dates derived from the molecular clock.German Dziebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703679732205862495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37110941244035369422012-06-30T13:04:09.466+03:002012-06-30T13:04:09.466+03:00Dieneke, have you done your own global PCA analysi...Dieneke, have you done your own global PCA analysis of the La Braña samples? <br /><br />BTW, your global PCA analyses of the ancient samples would be better if you included more reference populations (especially Caucasoid populations).Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-49656813845596373352012-06-30T12:49:02.279+03:002012-06-30T12:49:02.279+03:00http://i46.tinypic.com/2zea2it.pnghttp://i46.tinypic.com/2zea2it.pngDienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.com