tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post5190778309735873470..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Indo-European genetic signatures in an Orcadian and a LithuanianDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-11856140026392579802012-07-09T14:14:56.986+03:002012-07-09T14:14:56.986+03:00"The maps posted show almost no area where mo..."The maps posted show almost no area where most people have light hair and most people have dark eyes"<br /><br />Well, it depends on the definition of "most".<br /><br />The maps, created by looks, rate places like Sardinia as "0.5% light pigmentation" (specially that Italy map)<br /><br />The actual frequency of the mutation for light eyes in Sardinia is about 6%.<br /><br />But its recessive, so you can have the mutation but still show dark eyes. (also, there seems to be an effect that you can have a mutation but it has no effect until its needed. From that moment on its triggered to ON. That mechanism not fully understood yet but observed and accepted as existant)<br /><br />The Baltic states are in that light blue "80% or more" Region on the 1960s maps "by looks".<br /><br />And 95% of them possess a mutation for light eyes.<br /><br />Actually, by the frequency of the mutation, Lithuania and Sardinia are the maximum and minimum of light eye mutation in Europe. Wich is kind of funny, since thats exactly the cline that admixture is trying to sell us.<br /><br />What makes me somewhat suspicious.<br />As if one asks the software: Whats the main contrast in Europeans? And it answeres: The cline from light to dark eyes.<br /><br />Makes one wonder, if eliminating all pigmentation SNPs from the calculation would bring totaly different results.<br /><br />Like eliminating close relatives.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-22946648532127077802012-07-09T08:05:13.385+03:002012-07-09T08:05:13.385+03:00Fanty asks:
“…why is there no other place on earth...Fanty asks:<br />“…why is there no other place on earth where over 70% of the people are light eyed? For sure there must be another place on earth, where living conditions are similiar to that of northern Europe?”<br /><br />Cases of relatively light hair and/or eyes are reported among the Indians of the Northwest Coastal culture in North America, and they live in the same type of climate as the people of northwestern Europe (the one sometimes called “Marine Temperate”) notable for its rain and presumably clouds and fog. <br />So perhaps dark eyes are an adaptation to the glare of the sun, and cloudy, foggy climates allow the highest frequencies of light eyes. And since some genes govern the color of both eyes and hair together, an environment that does not select for dark eyes may also not select for dark hair, and so light hair, too, would be most common in low-sun areas.<br />The maps posted show almost no area where most people have light hair and most people have dark eyes, whereas the combination of mostly dark hair and mostly light eyes is found on the borderland between the light hair/light eye zone and the dark hair/dark eye zone—and also in Ireland--a combination noted by others. I don’t know why this is the case in Ireland, but Coon said that northwest Europe had the most light eyes whereas northeast Europe had the most light hair. However I thought (at one point) that the strong Mediterranean presence in Ireland and west Britain might account for the lower frequency of light hair in the northwest, and that apart from that light hair might as common, or commoner, in the northwest as in the northeast, and so the northwest could be a center of light hair as well as light eyes.<br />Interesting and perhaps useful in explaining some of this are the people of the Siberian taiga. Though their skin, eyes and hair are, on average, darker than northern Europeans, as is the case with Artic peoples and central Asians, in the case of hair it is the case that lighter hair (i.e. medium brown hair) is sometimes found among the taiga peoples—more so than among either the Artic or the central Asian peoples. Well the taiga peoples get less sun, since their land is heavily wooded, in contrast to the Arctic and central Asia. Yet, as far as know, the frequency of dark eyes among the taiga peoples is not lower than it is in the Arctic or central Asia. Well, in a forest it is mostly shady but one gets some glare from the sun in one’s eyes (especially when the trees are deciduous—there are deciduous conifers (larches and tamaracks) in eastern Siberia—when their leaves are gone. In contrast, the reverse combination of light eyes and dark hair maybe more common in cloudy, foggy areas, since cloud and fogs block glare, but sun sometimes gets through enough to cause sunburns on overcast days.Gregory76https://www.blogger.com/profile/16796327568266234469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26699922080178067182012-07-08T04:24:50.231+03:002012-07-08T04:24:50.231+03:00My version of Fanty's pictorial (not to be tak...My version of Fanty's pictorial (not to be taken too seriously) but illustrating what if<br />- there were three starting population blocs: meso-euro, anatolia and transcaucasus<br />- anatolian first farmers spread west following the coast<br />- transcaucasus IE conquer the anatolian first farmers and then expand west following their footsteps around the coast<br />- transcaucasus IE also move to the danube / steppe and expand west by a northern route as well<br /><br />http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1625/europep.jpgGreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-60804333687575676322012-07-07T14:01:47.511+03:002012-07-07T14:01:47.511+03:00I googled a bit about the light haired Australian ...I googled a bit about the light haired Australian natives. The mutation is absolutely different from that mutation that makes Europeans light haired.<br /><br />So, it must be an independant "development". It also only affects the hair on the head and that of the forearms. All other hair is dark.<br />Unlike the European mutation, its not recessive, but in some, the hair becomes dark when the people are adult, like with some central European blond mutations. Also indentical to European blond mutations is, that females are more often blond than males. (an effect that possibly created the myth of blond=pure of heart. Children, females and angels/gods are blond. And of course King David (Translation error? Hehe.)<br /><br />So it seems clear, similiar phenotypical effects can be caused by very different mutations.<br /><br />On the other hand remains the question: How are the chances for an identical autosomal mutation happening 2 times independently?<br />I recall those Danish scientists who claimed that blue eye mitation is so unlikely to happen, that it can only happend once in the time that humans exist on the planet, everyone with this mutation must be related.<br /><br />Well, maybe, but meanwhile we know different mutations, with same phenotypical effect. Is each of them unique and happend only in 1 human and all others got it by heritage? Important questions, if one calculates blood connections between populations by DNA.<br /><br />And yes, why is there no other place on earth where over 70% of the people are light eyed? For sure there must be another place on earth, where living conditions are similiar to that of northern Europe? Is someone with ligth eyes really so increadable better suited for that climate or is this simply some sort of drift/founder effect or like those Danish scientists mentioned "sexual selection", possibly based on a Cult?Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-33924000769949330282012-07-07T06:31:20.805+03:002012-07-07T06:31:20.805+03:00Libya said:
“light hair mutation in the very sunny...Libya said:<br />“light hair mutation in the very sunny and warm Aboigens' Australia wich also shows that there is no need for cold weather to that mutation being enchanced, otherwise populations such as Eskimos Nivkhs Khantys Yakuts Chukchkis should be world top light hair-light eye populaton)?<br /><br />I don’t know enough to about the selection mechanisms governing eye color to answer this question, but I know something about the selection mechanisms governing skin color that may be helpful: low amounts of sunlight favor light skin. However, what matters is not how much light the Sun sends to a given part of the Earth, but rather how much is received by the person’s skin. Now the Sun sends less light to the Arctic than to most of northern Europe, but people in the Arctic receive more sunlight than those in most of northern Europe, since the Arctic has no trees and perhaps fewer clouds and less fog, and so Arctic peoples are darker.<br />Arctic peoples also have darker hair and eyes, so perhaps there is some kind of connection.Gregory76https://www.blogger.com/profile/16796327568266234469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-17825060626362588092012-07-06T17:34:25.158+03:002012-07-06T17:34:25.158+03:00@Onur
The study is from 2008, thats pretty ancien...@Onur<br /><br />The study is from 2008, thats pretty ancient in a field where discoveries are made while I type this. ^^<br /><br />Meanwhile we know better.<br /><br />There is even a tool that predicts how your eyes do look like, by checking for mutations, that are known to affect the looks of the eyes, in your DNA File. At Gedmatch.<br /><br />Here is mine:<br />http://s13.postimage.org/iams4yron/Eyes.jpg<br /><br />And that is the URL for the predictor (if you have an account and uploaded your DNA File):<br /><br />http://ww2.gedmatch.com:8006/autosomal/eye_color_pred1.php<br /><br />As one can see, it comes up with a vey long list of mutations, all affecting the color of my eyes.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-31205361329963036582012-07-06T15:44:33.727+03:002012-07-06T15:44:33.727+03:00Fanty,
According to the study Libya linked, blue ...Fanty,<br /><br />According to the study Libya linked, blue eyes of Europeans, West Asians, Central Asians, North Africans and South Asians are all caused by the same mutation, not different mutations for different geoghraphical groups, and that mutation is estimated to have occurred as recently as between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Based on these results, the only likely agent of its spread is the Neolithic demographic dispersals from West Asia and thus its most probable source is West Asia.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-42054185227053570682012-07-06T14:33:53.211+03:002012-07-06T14:33:53.211+03:00@Libya:
You answered your own question:
"(it...@Libya:<br /><br />You answered your own question:<br />"(it should also be added that there are different light pigmentation alleles that arose in different places of the world"<br /><br />Thats why the maps show "...with fair hair and eyes IN EUROPEANS" ;)<br /><br />These mutations are fair hair and fair eye mutations in Europeans. Its absolutely possible that other people have different damages in their DNA causing the pigmentation aparatus to colapse (and that is, what I think it is: A damage. Thats what makes it recessive. A tendency to become "repaired" if a working piece of DNA is at hand)<br /><br />Also, we already know that its not a single mutation causing it. You can have several such mutations, all affecting the pigmentation production negatively.<br /><br />And the answere on this:<br />"how do you explain that individuals completly lacking the Northeuropean component do show light hair&light eyes?"<br /><br />First of course, they might have different DNA damage, causing the same symptoms (pigmentation stops working correctly) than the damage that northern Europeans share.<br /><br />And second:<br />The "norhern European component" is a collection of mutations, frequently found assembled in a single individium, that show a well pronounced contrast to the mutations assembled in individuals from other regions.<br />Or so, one needs to imagine such components.<br /><br />Those damages in the pigmentation aparatus give good contrast, even inside Europe, so I am sure, these SNPs are picked by the software and assigned to the list of SNPs of one or more "components".<br /><br />But thats only a tiny part of the component. A fracture of a percent most likely.<br /><br />So even IF, these (European) pigmentation mutations are part of the "Northern European Component" you might have one or more of it, without that showing any "northern European component" in you.<br /><br />Well, I cant await the scientists to tell us the hair and eye color of the hunter gatherers, they found.<br /><br />Oetzi was dark haired and brown eyed, as we know from his autosomal DNA.<br /><br />Lets see if the HGs have low pigmentation mutations.<br /><br />Ah and one interesting thing, I already mentioned but not in that contrast:<br /><br />The maps dont have a Sardinian point. But I know from the one who made them, that Sardinia ist the population with the lowest amount of these mutations, even lower than Turkey.<br /><br />Wich agrees to this map about blond hair in Italy, wich claims Sardinia to be the darkest spot of Italy.<br /><br />http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_O0-B5c2RcX8/SiuiO8z6HBI/AAAAAAAAANM/fjLGDRG2BCY/s400/blond_hair_italy.gifFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-736706966887986012012-07-06T13:21:39.929+03:002012-07-06T13:21:39.929+03:00Hi mr Fanty and thank you for your contributions m...Hi mr Fanty and thank you for your contributions may I ask you 2 questions:<br />1/how do you explain that individuals completly lacking the Northeuropean component do show light hair&light eyes?<br /><br />2/Are you aware and if yes what do you think about the study that advocates the Westernasian area as the originplace of light eye mutation (it should also be added that there are different light pigmentation alleles that arose in different places of the world and one of them is light hair mutation in the very sunny and warm Aboigens' Australia wich also shows that there is no need for cold weather to that mutation being enchanced, otherwise populations such as Eskimos Nivkhs Khantys Yakuts Chukchkis should be world top light hair-light eye populaton)?<br /><br />Here below a link to that article:<br /><br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/3323607/Blue-eyes-result-of-ancient-genetic-mutation.htmlcrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232905237272530506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88191576093419942542012-07-06T11:53:02.111+03:002012-07-06T11:53:02.111+03:00correction of a typo:
Not "more so that Finla...correction of a typo:<br />Not "more so that Finland" but "more so thaN Finland"Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-65095572363827638062012-07-06T11:39:16.562+03:002012-07-06T11:39:16.562+03:00"Could it be that light pigmentation is a nea..."Could it be that light pigmentation is a neandertal heritage? (However not redhair, since I've seen the claim that their gene for pheomelanine is different of our)"<br /><br />If that would be the case, it should be more widespread, because, suposedly, all non-Africans possess the same amount of Neandertal DNA.<br /><br />When the first mutation for fair eyes was discovered by Danish genetics, they claimed it to be 8K-10K years old and originating in the region Ukraine, Moldawia or Romania.<br /><br />They claimed, the light pigentation having virtually no advantage, at least not enough to make 70% of all northern Europeans have this mutation in only 8K years. So humans must have enforced its heritage by selection. And he spoke of a possible hunter-gatherer cult/religion centered around the light pigmented hair/eyes or something like that.<br /><br />I dont know if there are any new theories.<br /><br />I put the allelefrequencies of 3 SNPs that are involved in low pigmentation and 2 famous 1960s (or so) blond hair and light (non-brown) eye maps on one picture:<br /><br />http://s8.postimage.org/4ka1tk59h/Light_Pigmentation.png<br /><br />And now one must keep in mind, that there was a paper on mtDNA, 2 or so years ago, that said, the hunter gatherers refugium is the Baltic states. And even more so, that Finland. And that they retreated there OVER Scandinavia.<br /><br />Then there is Dienekes experiments wich show, that region has the lowest amounts of Farmer DNA, while the highest amounts of HG DNA.<br /><br />The other software, that made trees. Claiming the Lithuanian centered component beeing the first to branch away from all the Caucasoid branches.<br /><br />And finaly Davidskies experiments showing that Baltic DNA is the least compatible to non-european DNA.<br /><br />For me, its pretty clear, that the light pigmentation of hair and eyes must have a connection to the hunter/gatherer people and that later migrations re-darked the Europeans. So more dark, so more fresh middle eastern blood arrived.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-3749463050397171762012-07-06T09:57:27.535+03:002012-07-06T09:57:27.535+03:00@aspromavro
Not R1a in total, most likely R-M458,...@aspromavro<br /><br />Not R1a in total, most likely R-M458, also pattern of IBD sharing as in <br /><br />"LD patterns in dense variation data reveal information about the history of human populations worldwide."<br />S. Myers et al.<br /><br />http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/08/ichg-2011-abstracts-are-onlineic.htmlDienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-40643210701105509832012-07-06T08:50:05.145+03:002012-07-06T08:50:05.145+03:00Erratum
I was to write Spanish (there is no Mexica...Erratum<br />I was to write Spanish (there is no Mexican language or maybe there is a Mexican language but Amerindian)<br /><br />On another issue, according to their depictions (I have many books showing depictons of Luwians, Lydians...) ancient Anatolic peoples (Luwians, Hittites...) appear to be indistinguishable from modern easternanatolians and westerniranians; <br />See for example this unibrow Luwian man below (please notice his cranium and also his facial hair that reaches as high as his cheeks) who look very easternanatolian westerniranian (be it Kurdish, Azeri, Assyrian, Persian or Armenian speaker)<br /><br />http://lh4.ggpht.com/_C0B0C7RtHsU/TVS4jEejWGI/AAAAAAAAA4Q/0fXYZudcXsQ/Kaskuh.jpgcrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232905237272530506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-56991965132598277782012-07-06T07:33:24.900+03:002012-07-06T07:33:24.900+03:00@El Lurker
We have also historical records of non ...@El Lurker<br />We have also historical records of non Celtic languages spoken in Hallstat area (the proto Celtic homeland) and dozens of such examples of language A being attested in the homeland of language B, however Hattian was clearly a (from north of caucasus) transcaucasian North-Caucasic intruder language since there was NOT Hattic internal diversity compared to nearly a dozen of Indo-European languages (from the Anatolic branch) spoken in Anatolia (Luwian, Hittite, Psidian, Lykian, Palaic, Pamphylian, Lydian, Milian, Sidetic, Carian...)<br />This is similar to English or Mexican or Portuguese i.e clearly homogenous intruder languages vis a vis long established autochtonous Amerindians languages (that is betrayed by the huge internal diversity and great number of Amerindian languages spoken there)<br /><br />Finally, on another issue, light eye/light hair mutations (wich according to geneticians rose in the Kurdistan area) could occur in populations completly lacking the northeuropean component (for example an Assyrian named Paul Girgas) but the amount of light eye/light hair is very high in northern Europe due to natural selection, since on the snowy grounds of northern Europe blackhaired people were an easy target for predator animals, later even south Europe and Western Europe (lacking permafrost because of gulfstream enchanced warming) did see a dramatical rise of the amount of light hair/light eye peoples after the migrations of various nordic peoples (however still remains pockets like Sardinia wich was not subject to a noteworthy Nordicmen's migrations that retains the original-pre Nordicmen's migrations-south&western European light hair/light eye ratiocrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232905237272530506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-6276929861453165332012-07-06T04:16:43.007+03:002012-07-06T04:16:43.007+03:00Fanty,
Your chart is pretty good, but the “Nordid”...Fanty,<br />Your chart is pretty good, but the “Nordid” from Britain, who appears to the be Nordic, should be put with the Southern Caucasoids, since Nordic seems to be just a blondized Mediterranean, both of them having long narrow heads, long narrow faces, long narrow noses that are more likely to be convex than concave, slim bodies, etc.—in contrast to the Borreby and Brunn descendents of the Mesolithic hunter-gatherers. I grant that you do show a Southern contribution to the ancestry, too, and I grant that the average northern European is such a mixture of Northern and Southern Caucasoid, but another face should be used. And in fact the face used for the Mesolithic hunter-gatherer might be good one for that, since it has a somewhat convex nose. An ideal picture of one should have a concave nose.<br />The movements from north to south seem to me to have been of much less importance.<br />By the way, “Aryan” should be used only for Indo-Europeans. It’s a pity that Nazi abuse of the term led to it to fall in to disfavor. Then again, if one is going to use the word in its original sense, you’d have to restrict it to speakers of Indic languages—and this seems to be the prevailing use today.<br />As to color, any group in the areas of lowest sunlight should have (relatively) light skin, hair and eyes, providing they were in the area long enough.Gregory76https://www.blogger.com/profile/16796327568266234469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-17043073051559412682012-07-06T02:55:52.668+03:002012-07-06T02:55:52.668+03:00That is incorrect, there are clear genetic links b...<i>That is incorrect, there are clear genetic links between Balkan Slavs and their linguistic brethren.</i><br /><br />Is that based on R1a? It's not clear at all how much (if any) of the Balkan R1a is Slavic, some of it might be but we don't know for sure.aspromavrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05416539355662136692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-34187262692269103382012-07-06T00:47:37.549+03:002012-07-06T00:47:37.549+03:00«"Light pigmentation in Europe is supposed to...«<i>"Light pigmentation in Europe is supposed to be about 8,000 years old"<br /><br />Well, it must be that 8000 years is a miss-calculation.</i>»<br /><br />Could it be that light pigmentation is a neandertal heritage? (However not redhair, since I've seen the claim that their gene for pheomelanine is different of our)Antoni Jaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15816775501025660503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-72422882299872463682012-07-06T00:42:41.969+03:002012-07-06T00:42:41.969+03:00Aspromavro,
Ethnic, tribal and/or linguistic iden...Aspromavro,<br /><br />Ethnic, tribal and/or linguistic identities past and present and population genetics are separate issues; we should not confuse the two. The former is within the domain of history whereas the latter is within the domain of genetics. <b>Only</b> genetics can reveal whether and how much the various groups who are now called the "Slavic peoples" have recent genetic links to each other. They may have strong recent genetic links or not, but without genetics we can not find it out.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-92175660773615951032012-07-06T00:32:57.624+03:002012-07-06T00:32:57.624+03:00Fanty
"If I would have known, that my choise ...Fanty<br />"If I would have known, that my choise of images starts the third world war, I wouldnt have done anything. :P"<br /><br />I know there are all sorts of theories about this kind of thing but i wanted to point out there is some *visual* basis for them. The theories may be wrong but in the UK you can (or could) see the difference in physical type by class (and partly by region). It's not as true now but if you look further back to around WW1 and especially if you compare the officers / generals etc to the men i think it's clearly visible.Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-32725940869899097052012-07-06T00:03:31.050+03:002012-07-06T00:03:31.050+03:00It's strange that he has Cornwall and Lithuani...<i>It's strange that he has Cornwall and Lithuania as 1 and 2, as normally these are well separated in NW or NE European populations...</i><br /><br />Don't take DNA Tribes results too seriously. The DNA Tribes analyses generally lack the precision of the Dodecad and Eurogenes analyses.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-3474554321526403662012-07-06T00:02:50.478+03:002012-07-06T00:02:50.478+03:00Except for Balkan Slavs, who share only the langua...<i>Except for Balkan Slavs, who share only the language but not genetic ancestry.</i><br /><br />That is incorrect, there are clear genetic links between Balkan Slavs and their linguistic brethren.<br /><br />The extent of this common ancestry has not been quantified yet, but it is clearly present.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-49601047355230864222012-07-05T23:38:52.031+03:002012-07-05T23:38:52.031+03:00Slavs are very coherent both linguistically and ge...<i>Slavs are very coherent both linguistically and genetically -despite obvious admixtures in their three branches from neighboring/substrata groups. I have little doubt that they share a rather recent common ancestry which has influenced/been influenced by other European groups.</i><br /><br />Except for Balkan Slavs, who share only the language but not genetic ancestry.aspromavrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05416539355662136692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-59320169725952486452012-07-05T23:31:17.525+03:002012-07-05T23:31:17.525+03:00Dienekes i was wondering if you could answer this ...Dienekes i was wondering if you could answer this question, its off topic, so if you cant, no worries.<br /><br />Is their a recent Nordic, European ancestry to populations of Arab, berber descent?bmdriverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02175936825472291559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88416514424869818332012-07-05T23:26:11.650+03:002012-07-05T23:26:11.650+03:00If I would have known, that my choise of images st...If I would have known, that my choise of images starts the third world war, I wouldnt have done anything. :PFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26257372273634450522012-07-05T22:39:13.584+03:002012-07-05T22:39:13.584+03:00@Ponto, @Fanty,
Modern English people are nothin...@Ponto, @Fanty,<br /><br /><i> Modern English people are nothing like the illustrated Nordic man. </i><br /><br />The Modern British "Nordid Type" is the spitting image of my father!<br /><br />The only difference is he has black hair, and longer ears - more Basque like.<br /><br />He is the only "Irish" person that I know of in Dienekes' Dodecad Project that is probably 100% Native Irish - NO known Norman, Viking, Scottish, English, German, Huguenot ancestry.<br /><br />His DNA Tribes results show him as:<br />51.50% Northwestern European<br />22.37% Iberian<br />21.87% Baltic-Urals<br /> 3.76% Indus Valley<br /> 0.51% Arctic<br /><br />1. Cornwall West Britain<br />2. Lithuania<br />3. West Scotland and Ireland<br />4. England<br />5. Orkney Islands Scotland<br /><br />It's strange that he has Cornwall and Lithuania as 1 and 2, as normally these are well separated in NW or NE European populations...pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.com