tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post5169901723319506255..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Scandinavian team looking for Indo-Europeans in KazakhstanDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-3114950699172404682015-06-06T07:19:49.089+03:002015-06-06T07:19:49.089+03:00The Sarmatian and Skythian languages are part of t...The Sarmatian and Skythian languages are part of the Iranian language family.Derrick Bonsellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10624976943924251694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-17352332783407942232015-03-11T10:40:21.571+02:002015-03-11T10:40:21.571+02:00@arch note that germanics are probably not the bes...@arch note that germanics are probably not the best candidate for ancient indoeuropeans. I've heard people saying that Germanic languages seems like a hybrid language, with about 1/3 words of non-IE originszopenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12096688483881484656noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-87144741458245575582015-03-04T21:24:18.556+02:002015-03-04T21:24:18.556+02:00Arch, there were never any Goths in Kazakhstan. Al...Arch, there were never any Goths in Kazakhstan. Also, according to the blog entry by Dienekes, they are going to test ancient DNA from the Bronze Age and early Iron Age. Sure as hell predating Genghis Khan by millennia.Simon_Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04454497745874406294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71107204546307045812015-03-03T23:16:33.707+02:002015-03-03T23:16:33.707+02:00Then please show us Iranian kurgans and Iranian re...Then please show us Iranian kurgans and Iranian religions behind the kurgan burial tradition. I am pretty sure that also Dienekes is awaiting to ses some Iranian kurgans.Bulan Goldsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08383112370502114428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-50130984397883608762015-03-02T08:26:42.473+02:002015-03-02T08:26:42.473+02:00Pretty sure any Kazakh segments that can be found ...Pretty sure any Kazakh segments that can be found now would be more recent. Some Irish tourist or soldier seems more likely.<br /><br />http://home.earthlink.net/~rggsibiba/html/sib/sib2.html<br /><br />I would be looking to the Wild Geese for a connection. Perhaps someone like Peter Lacy of Limerick who was a Field Marshal in the Imperial Russian Army. But even that might be a bit far back.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-6552250447558025242015-02-26T10:22:42.767+02:002015-02-26T10:22:42.767+02:00"They will find genetic links but not really ..."They will find genetic links but not really ancient ones or links dating to the great migrations."<br /><br />I wonder about a mega Bantu expansion of pre-PIE foot herders out of modern southern Kazakhstan near Almaty and the Tien Shan following the routes that later became the Silk Road into India, Iran and the Near East and from there into Europe (and eventually onto the steppe where they acted as a catalyst for the PIE while not being the PIE themselves).<br /><br />http://s1.hubimg.com/u/8474486_f1024.jpg<br /><br />(but blocked from China by geography.)<br /><br />So I think the researchers might find ancient links but from before PIE.<br />Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-38024806833760093892015-02-25T22:32:14.602+02:002015-02-25T22:32:14.602+02:00I am frankly skeptical of notion that Y-DNA R1a is...I am frankly skeptical of notion that Y-DNA R1a is a "genetic signal of the Proto-Indo-Europeans". I think that anyone is on shaky ground when they attempt to extrapolate the ethnicity or linguistic affiliation of a population by DNA or even cultural artifacts alone. <br /><br />A historical example would be Plains Indians of North America. With the introduction of the horse to Native Americans, many populations rapidly moved out onto the Great Plains where they adopted a similar lifestyle and produced similar artifacts. All these populations were characterized by similar varieties of Y-DNA Q and C as well as mtDNA A, B, C, D, and X, yet spoke a wide variety of languages from several distinct families. I don't think there is a compelling argument that the populations of the Eurasian steppes were any different. If you look at DNA of modern Turkic-speaking populations, you will see that it is all over the place.<br /><br />Regarding the association of Kurgan culture, Y-DNA R1a is not the only Y-DNA type in Scandinavia. Below is a link is to a map of Y-DNA Q in Europe. Note that this type reaches a peak in southern Sweden. <br /><br />http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml<br /><br />From the Europedia article, here's a breakdown of some of the Y-DNA Q found in Europe: <br /><br /> "Q1a2a1 (L54)<br /> Q1a2a1a (CTS11969)<br /> Q1a2a1a1 (M3): the main subclade of Native Americans<br /> Q1a2a1a2 (L804): found in Germany, Scandinavia and Britain (possibly Hunnic)<br /> Q1a2a1a2a (L807): observed in Britain<br /> Q1a2a1b (Z780): found among Native Americans, notably in Mexico<br /> Q1a2a1c (L330): the main subclade of the Mongols, also found among the Kazakhs and Uzbeks, as well as in Ukraine, Turkey and Greece (probably Mongolian and Turkic)"<br /><br />"Possibly Hunnic", indeed! A comparison of some common words in an eastern Swedish dialect and Native American languages might shed some light on this issue:<br /><br />Eastern Sweden (Vi) Cherokee/Mohawk Siouan<br /><br />‘this’ a hana hina (Cherokee) hinné (Crow)<br />‘that’ a dana na (Cherokee) <br />‘here' har, hena, henan ahani (Cherokee) den (Dakota)<br />‘there’ dar, dena, den an nahnai (Cherokee) hen (Dakota) <br />‘who’ vam, hokan ónhkha (Mohawk)<br /><br />'and' Swedish: 'och', Other Scandinavian languages: 'og', Lenape (Algonkian), 'òk' Mohawk 'nok'<br /><br />Garyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06029565423493357259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-65146711350236418492015-02-25T07:12:01.705+02:002015-02-25T07:12:01.705+02:00@pcconroy did you take a 23&me test? Did it sa...@pcconroy did you take a 23&me test? Did it say you also had a segment match? I'm american with irish, German, British ancestory. When I did 23&me I had 50% british/irish,around 10% german/french and the rest Southern European and non specific. I shared large segments of dna with British/irish but the next largest was Portugal. I have a cousin there apparently also. Kazakh is strange though, would have to imagine that's a random ancestor ending up over there.Diomedeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11928290963941535176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-81338015221502961132015-02-25T04:45:38.599+02:002015-02-25T04:45:38.599+02:00Oh Boy..
Can we at least use the term Goths when t...Oh Boy..<br />Can we at least use the term Goths when that is what we are talking about?<br /><br />You need remains from pre-Genghis because any GOTH populations remaining in that region post mongol incursion would have had their male lines curtailed and supplanted. <br /><br />What they will find is western euro population genetics of slaves trucked back to western / central asia by Mongols and Turkic raiders and while there will be germanic matches to modern Norwegians Swedes and Danes, its because of the large scale enslavement of overrun populations, including Germanics, who are a ancestral population to these Scandinavians.<br />Not to mention pre-Soviet german colonists, post war deportees from central europe..etc..<br /><br />They will find genetic links but not really ancient ones or links dating to the great migrations.archhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11889655337361924056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-49370835061476362322015-02-24T21:49:03.444+02:002015-02-24T21:49:03.444+02:00BTW, on 23andme my mother shares a 12 cM segment w...BTW, on 23andme my mother shares a 12 cM segment with an ethnic Kazakh - making him a predicted 4th cousin, in the 3-10 range?!pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-73052321601968738572015-02-24T03:09:46.385+02:002015-02-24T03:09:46.385+02:00More researchers names, dig locations, and analysi...More researchers names, dig locations, and analysis methods in <a href="http://www.ng.kz/modules/news/print.php?&storyid=17554" rel="nofollow">this report from a press-conference in Kostanai</a>MOCKBAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05150628026789690963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-62524943240041095032015-02-23T22:33:02.635+02:002015-02-23T22:33:02.635+02:00This effort appears to be part of the Rise project...This effort appears to be part of the Rise project, headed by Kristian Kristiansen.<br /><br />http://the-rise.seDavidskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637918905430604850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-23589853058199416012015-02-23T21:36:16.826+02:002015-02-23T21:36:16.826+02:00Before the Turkic invasion all the Central Asian -...Before the Turkic invasion all the Central Asian -Stans are inhabitaded by Iranic people.Thugnacioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01103059222261824689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-74774063164667152922015-02-23T19:25:57.743+02:002015-02-23T19:25:57.743+02:00Great News! will be vital to know the SNP Mutation...Great News! will be vital to know the SNP Mutations of R1a and R1b from there and also the Autosomal structure!Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-799833686896843542015-02-23T19:07:16.254+02:002015-02-23T19:07:16.254+02:00I've found the brief news about this project a...I've found the brief news about this project at the site of Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstn: http://www.mfa.kz/index.php/en/last-news/3164-norwegian-scientists-kazakh-and-norwegian-ancestors-had-a-common-homeland-thousands-years-agorozenblatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06133713105187428743noreply@blogger.com