tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post417939637520638071..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Y chromosomes and mtDNA of KoreansDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-74628889701759982992016-01-07T06:30:37.518+02:002016-01-07T06:30:37.518+02:00Ebizur, so you're compare a Y Hg C3-M217 / C2 ...Ebizur, so you're compare a Y Hg C3-M217 / C2 (ISOGG) and mtDNA Macrohaplogroup M and it's descendants, mtDNA Hg CZ, C, Z, D and G with a Mongolian and Siberian who have an Asiatic looking? Interesting....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17782704383261192202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-2199407831770502132013-12-11T01:49:16.043+02:002013-12-11T01:49:16.043+02:00O2b is by no means confined to those with Korean a...O2b is by no means confined to those with Korean ancestry. It is actually spread from Mongolia to Japan, although it may have originated in Korea or nearby: <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O-M176<br />terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-86139714668208300412013-12-09T11:49:26.317+02:002013-12-09T11:49:26.317+02:00I myself is a Han Chinese belonging to O2b (possib...I myself is a Han Chinese belonging to O2b (possibly O2b1). There's no word of Korean origin passing down from the family. So I am curious.johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14250507627956116882noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-24181233557238463922009-04-09T04:24:00.000+03:002009-04-09T04:24:00.000+03:00Haplogroup O2b1-47z is a Y2+ Y-chromosome. Below i...Haplogroup O2b1-47z is a Y2+ Y-chromosome. Below is a summary of a genetic study on the Y2 allele.<BR/><BR/>In our previous study, both of Y-associated alleles, Y1 and Y2, were detected in Japanese and Koreans, but only the Y1 allele was detected in each of other populations including Chinese in both Beijin and Guangzhou areas, Caucasians, Africans, and Jewish. In the present study, these observations were extended to other ethnic groups in East Asia. Evenks in central Siberia and Khalkhs in Mongolia had only the Y1 allele. On the other hand, two ethnic groups, Fo-lo and Hakka, in Taiwan had both of the Y1 and the Y2 alleles. Three of the eight Y2-positive men, 2 Fo-lo and a Hakka, shared family name Chen. Both Hakka people and ancesters of Chen families could be traced to the Province of Henan in northern China in early 4th century. They arrive din Fujian/Guangdong area in the south-east Chinavia various routes and then some of them migrated to Taiwan in the 18th century. It is tempting to speculate that the Y2 allele may be originated from an ancestral population in Henan from which, Japanese, Koreans, and some of the Taiwanese diverged.제롬https://www.blogger.com/profile/01588989857917486265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-64001691022383438392009-02-25T00:29:00.000+02:002009-02-25T00:29:00.000+02:00I hope people realize most of the data(and the con...I hope people realize most of the data(and the conclusion) provided by ebizur is bogus. For instance he utilizes the data prensented by nonaka et al (anals of human genetics) but fails to notice that it was haplogroup ESTIMATES from STR data.<BR/><BR/> Hilarious.<BR/><BR/> He is clearly an amateur.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11072178194268666496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-43305405070560786792009-01-22T10:25:00.000+02:002009-01-22T10:25:00.000+02:00mtDNA Haplogroups F and D5a are southeast Asian ph...mtDNA Haplogroups F and D5a are southeast Asian phenomenon<BR/><BR/>Tanaka et al.<BR/><BR/>Haplogroup F<BR/><BR/>China sample 4 (Guangdong Han)<BR/><BR/>4.17 + 2.78 + 2.78 + 1.39 + 6.94 + 1.39 = 19.45% haplogroup F<BR/><BR/>Guandong Han total= 14/72 haplogroup F<BR/><BR/>Japanese<BR/>0.23 + 0.15 + 0.15 + 1.52 + 3.13 + 0.08 + 0.08 = 5.34% haplogroup F<BR/><BR/>Japanese total = 70/1312 haplogroup F<BR/><BR/>Korean<BR/>0.37 + 0.74 + 1.12 + 2.05 + 0.19 + 0.19 = 4.66% haplogroup F<BR/><BR/>Korean total = 25/537 haplogroup F<BR/><BR/>Haplogroup D5a<BR/><BR/>China sample 4 (Guandong Han)<BR/>4.17 + 4.17= 8.34% haplogroup D5a<BR/><BR/>Guandong Han total= 6/72<BR/><BR/><BR/>Japanese<BR/>3.73 + 1.07 = 4.8% haplogroup D5a<BR/><BR/>Japanese total= 63/1312 haplogroup D5a<BR/><BR/>Korean<BR/>2.98 + 0.56 = 3.54% haplogroup D5a<BR/><BR/>Korean total= 19/537 haplogroup D5amongobanjumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14308928972647157083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-6458085728182147292009-01-22T04:14:00.000+02:002009-01-22T04:14:00.000+02:00Oh and the "Japanese= 2.13+4.57= 6.70% out of 1312...Oh and the "Japanese= 2.13+4.57= 6.70% out of 1312 individuals= 88/1312" is supposed to be under Tanaka et al. I just forgot to put it. <BR/><BR/>Sorry for triple spammingmongobanjumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14308928972647157083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-31330675183367230862009-01-22T04:12:00.000+02:002009-01-22T04:12:00.000+02:00Sorry it's supposed to be 69/821= 8.4% for Korean ...Sorry it's supposed to be 69/821= 8.4% for Korean mtDNA haplogroup A total, not 27/284= 8.4%mongobanjumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14308928972647157083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-42528821270767958992009-01-22T04:08:00.000+02:002009-01-22T04:08:00.000+02:00Among mtDNA haplogroups, haplogroup A is thought t...Among mtDNA haplogroups, haplogroup A is thought to be a Siberian-Native American marker<BR/><BR/>Observation of haplogroup A frequencies<BR/><BR/>Wook Kim et al. <BR/>Koreans: 15/185= 8.1%<BR/>Koreans in China: 5/51= 10.0%<BR/><BR/>Kong et al.<BR/>Koreans: 7/48= 16.7%<BR/><BR/>Tanaka et al.<BR/>Koreans= 0.19+3.54+2.98+0.74+0.37= 7.82% out of 537 individuals = 42/537<BR/><BR/>Korean total= 27/284= 8.4%<BR/><BR/>Wook Kim et al.<BR/>Japanese: 19/211= 9.0%<BR/><BR/>Japanese= 2.13+4.57= 6.70% out of 1312 individuals= 88/1312<BR/><BR/>Japanese total= 107/1523= 7.0%mongobanjumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14308928972647157083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-15613021099918894742009-01-22T03:23:00.000+02:002009-01-22T03:23:00.000+02:00E Bizur :just asking for study. thanks for numbers...E Bizur :<BR/><BR/>just asking for study. thanks for numbers. No other meaning.South Central Haplohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00916788636469000041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-83829582827972201552009-01-22T02:34:00.000+02:002009-01-22T02:34:00.000+02:00mongobanjum,The problem is that haplogroup O2b is ...mongobanjum,<BR/><BR/>The problem is that haplogroup O2b is not found in the Tungus (Northern Tungusic speakers) or Chinese populations. The present distribution of haplogroup O2b (mainly Japan, Korea, and possibly Manchus, though the various sources of data on Manchus are contradictory, and some populations in Southeast Asia) does not even support the hypothesis of an origin among the original "Koreans" (高麗, who, according to historical documents, originated from Manchuria), much less any Tungusic-speaking people, because if this clade had originated in prehistoric times in southern Manchuria or northern Korea, we should expect to see some spillover into neighboring populations, rather than spillover into Indonesians, Vietnamese, Thais, etc. The fact that haplogroup O2b is not generally found in North Asia or continental East Asia (outside of Koreans and Manchus) is itself enough to throw serious doubt on any hypothesis of an ancient continental Manchurian origin.<BR/><BR/>The hypothesis of a Korean origin of anything in Japan is also not supported by historical evidence; all such claims have tacitly ignored the very explicit historical evidence for ancient Japanese influence in Korea. There are undeniably some archaeological connections between ancient Japan and Korea (magatama, kofun, etc.), but the direction of influence is debatable. In any case, your claim that "Koreans in China display the highest frequencies of O2b" is groundless: Xue et al. (2006) have reported 28.0% O2b in a sample of Koreans in China, while Katoh et al. (2004) have reported 48.1% O2b in another sample of Koreans in China. Who is to say which figure is more accurate? The origin of the Korean population in China is very recent (late 19th to 20th century immigrants), so their Y-DNA composition should not be very different from Koreans in general.<BR/><BR/>Also, haplogroup O2b is fairly evenly distributed throughout the Japanese Archipelago, but the situation in the Ryukyu Archipelago is a bit confusing; haplogroup O2b seems to be very strongly present in the southern Ryukyus (Miyako and Yaeyama), but only averagely so in the northern Ryukyus (e.g. Okinawa). The variation in the distribution of O2b in Japan is a matter of the inverse relationship between the frequencies of O2b*-P49(xO2b1-47z) and O2b1-47z, which does not have anything to do with the distribution of the entire O2b-P49 clade.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-17935082727466403502009-01-22T02:11:00.000+02:002009-01-22T02:11:00.000+02:00"haplogroup O2a-M95(xO2a1-M88) has been found with..."haplogroup O2a-M95(xO2a1-M88) has been found with greatest frequency (up to 100%) and diversity in some tribal "adivasi" (aboriginal) populations of India". <BR/><BR/>And many of these tribal groups speak languages related to Eastern languages. Makes sense therefore that O2a came into, rather than out of, India. <BR/><BR/>I'm reasonably convinced that there is a connection of some sort between the Sea of Japan and the South China Sea. The Austronesian expansion into the Pacific, the Austric expansion into India and the Na-Dene expansion into North America are three points of a human eruption from around the western Pacific. The present post and comments tend to support the idea. Thanls for all your efforts.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-46314013460516883962009-01-22T01:58:00.000+02:002009-01-22T01:58:00.000+02:00Actually I'd say haplogroup O2b originated near th...Actually I'd say haplogroup O2b originated near the Korean peninsula and Manchuria border, as Koreans in China (who are historically from northern Korea, i.e present day North Korea), display the highest frequencies of O2b. <BR/><BR/>It's consistent with the fact Yayoi culture came from Korean immigration to Japonic islands, and that O2b has the highest frequencies in parts of Honshu and Kyushu.mongobanjumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14308928972647157083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-11667711130492572652009-01-22T01:41:00.000+02:002009-01-22T01:41:00.000+02:00terryt said,"Not from India? Surely if we can acce...terryt said,<BR/><BR/>"Not from India? Surely if we can accept that this particular haplogroup spread from a particular region independently of others (at least apparently so) then it is a simple matter to accept that in general haplogroup distribution is always a product of a similar process? Why must we conjure up some mythological centre of mass origin?"<BR/><BR/>Well, haplogroup O2a-M95(xO2a1-M88) has been found with greatest frequency (up to 100%) and diversity in some tribal "adivasi" (aboriginal) populations of India, but haplogroup O2b has not been found in any sample of any Indian population as far as I know. Haplogroups O2a-M95 and O2b-SRY465 have both been found in Japan with high diversity values, however, so I would suppose that they probably have originated and spread from some place in Japan or its vicinity. However, haplogroup O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465) seems to be mainly a Chinese phenomenon, occurring in Hans from most parts of the mainland and Taiwan, Yaos from Guangxi, etc. Haplogroup O2a-M95(xO2a1-M88) has also been found with high frequency in the aborigines of Hainan Island and the Nicobar Islands, so I am not sure about the spread of the entire O2-P31 clade. It is rather difficult to make any sense of it.<BR/><BR/>According to "Paternal genetic affinity between western Austronesians and Daic populations," <I>BMC Evolutionary Biology</I> 2008, Hui Li et al. have found a rather high frequency of haplogroup O-M175(xO1a-M119, O2a-M95, O3-M122) in the Mon-Khmer-speaking Bolyus and a variety of Tai-Kadai- and Austronesian-speaking populations of Southeast Asia, but it is not clear whether these are O*(xO1, O2, O3), O2*(xO2a, O2b), or O2b.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-32053067914502710292009-01-22T00:56:00.000+02:002009-01-22T00:56:00.000+02:00ERRATUM:In a previous post in this thread, I have ...ERRATUM:<BR/><BR/>In a previous post in this thread, I have written that "haplogroup O2b has not been found in any sample of Han Chinese for which a marker of haplogroup O2b has been tested," but this was before I had found the data from Han-Jun Jin, Kyoung-Don Kwak, Michael F. Hammer, Yutaka Nakahori, Toshikatsu Shinka, Ju-Won Lee, Feng Jin, Xuming Jia, Chris Tyler-Smith and Wook Kim, "Y-chromosomal DNA haplogroups and their implications for the dual origins of the Koreans," Human Genetics (2003), which has reported finding haplogroup O2b*(xO2b1) in 4/69 = 5.8% of a sample labeled as "Beijing-Han." I have not encountered haplogroup O2b in any other published sample of Han Chinese, so it seems quite likely that these four individuals in Beijing are descended patrilineally from a recent Manchu, Korean, or Japanese ancestor (judging from history, they are probably descended from Manchus, but their ancient origin probably lies closer to Korea or Japan).Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37009381942878241122009-01-22T00:41:00.000+02:002009-01-22T00:41:00.000+02:00"haplogroup O2b seems to have originated or at lea..."haplogroup O2b seems to have originated or at least primarily increased its frequency in the vicinity of the Sea of Japan, either in the Japanese-Ryukyuan archipelago or the Korean Peninsula, and dispersed from there". <BR/><BR/>Not from India? Surely if we can accept that this particular haplogroup spread from a particular region independently of others (at least apparently so) then it is a simple matter to accept that in general haplogroup distribution is always a product of a similar process? Why must we conjure up some mythological centre of mass origin?terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-55015715688021331172009-01-22T00:10:00.000+02:002009-01-22T00:10:00.000+02:00Haplogroup O2b-SRY465 frequency data:Northern Tung...Haplogroup O2b-SRY465 frequency data:<BR/><BR/>Northern Tungusic:<BR/><BR/>Even (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/31 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Okhotsk Evenk (Lell et al. 2002):<BR/>0/16 = 0.0% K-M9(xO1a-M119, N1c-Tat, P-M45)<BR/><BR/>Negidal (Lell et al. 2002):<BR/>0/17 = 0.0% K-M9(xO1a-M119, N1c-Tat, P-M45)<BR/><BR/>Ewenki (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>0/26 O2b<BR/><BR/>Evenk (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/95 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Manchurian Evenk (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>1/41 = 2.4% O2b*-P49(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Oroqen (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>0/31 O2b<BR/><BR/>Oroqen (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/22 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Northern Tungusic total: 1/279 = 0.36% O2b*-P49(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Sinitic:<BR/><BR/>Beijing-Han (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>4/69 = 5.8% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>0/69 = 0.0% O2b1<BR/>4/69 = 5.8% O2b total<BR/><BR/>S. Chinese/Yunnan (n=39):<BR/>0/39 = 0.0% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>0/39 = 0.0% O2b1<BR/>0/39 = 0.0% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Han Chinese total: 4/484 = 0.83% O2b*(xO2b1) (includes 44 Northern Han, 40 Southern Han, and 84 non-aboriginal Taiwan (Hammer et al. 2005); 166 non-Muslim Hans from Harbin(n=35), Yili(n=32), Lanzhou(n=30), Chengdu(n=34), and Meixian(n=35) (Xue et al. 2006); 42 Northern Han (Katoh et al. 2004); 69 Beijing-Han, 39 S. Chinese/Yunnan (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003))<BR/><BR/>Mongolic:<BR/><BR/>Uriankhai (Katoh et al. 2004):<BR/>3/60 = 5.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Zakhchin (Katoh et al. 2004):<BR/>2/60 = 3.3% O2b<BR/><BR/>Daur (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>1/39 = 2.6% O2b*-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Buryat (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>1/51 = 2.0% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>0/51 = 0.0% O2b1<BR/>1/51 = 2.0% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Buryat (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/81 = 0.0% O2b-SRY465/P49<BR/><BR/>Mongolia (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/149 = 0.0% O2b-SRY465/P49<BR/><BR/>Khalkhs (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>0/49 = 0.0% O2b*(xO2b1) <BR/>0/49 = 0.0% O2b1<BR/>0/49 = 0.0% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Khalkh (Katoh et al. 2004):<BR/>0/85 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Khoton (Katoh et al. 2004):<BR/>0/40 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Inner Mongolians (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>0/45 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Outer Mongolians (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>0/65 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Mongolic total: 7/724 = 1.0% O2b (of which all that have been tested for the appropriate marker have ended up being O2b*-SRY465(xO2b1-47z))<BR/><BR/>(The Uriankhai and Zakhchin are, in this context, two Oirat Mongolian-speaking tribes who live in western Mongolia. The Daurs are a somewhat isolated and distinctive Mongolic-speaking tribe who mainly inhabit the border between Inner Mongolia and Heilongjiang Province in northeastern China. Buryats are the northernmost Mongolic group, inhabiting the vicinity of Lake Baikal in southern Siberia. Note that haplogroup O2b has never been found in a published sample of Khalkh Mongols, who form the overwhelming majority of the Mongolian population.)<BR/><BR/>Tai-Kadai:<BR/>Thais (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>1/55 = 1.8% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>2/55 = 3.6% O2b1<BR/>3/55 = 5.5% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Zhuang (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/20 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Buyi (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>0/35 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Li (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>0/34 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Tai-Kadai total (Hammer et al. 2005 + Xue et al. 2006 + Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>1/144 = 0.7% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>2/144 = 1.4% O2b1<BR/>3/144 = 2.1% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Austronesian:<BR/><BR/>Taiwan/Aboriginal (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/48 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Malay (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/32 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Philippines (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/48 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Indonesia, East (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/55 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Indonesia, West (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>2/25 = 8.0% O2b*-P49(xO2b1-47z)<BR/>2/25 = 8.0% O2b1-47z<BR/>4/25 = 16.0% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Melanesia (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/53 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Micronesia (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>1/17 = 5.9% O2b*-P49(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Polynesia (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>0/60 = 0.0% O2b<BR/><BR/>Indonesians (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>6/36 = 16.7% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>1/36 = 2.8% O2b1<BR/>7/36 = 19.4% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Philippines (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>1/77 = 1.3% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>0/77 = 0.0% O2b1<BR/>1/77 = 1.3% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Austronesian total (Hammer et al. 2005 + Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>10/451 = 2.2% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>3/451 = 0.67% O2b1<BR/>13/451 = 2.9% O2b total<BR/>(Among Austronesian-speaking populations, western Indonesians appear to have the highest frequency of haplogroup O2b.)<BR/><BR/>Vietnamese:<BR/>Vietnam (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>1/70 = 1.4% O2b*-P49(xO2b1-47z)<BR/>2/70 = 2.9% O2b1-47z<BR/>3/70 = 4.3% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Vietnamese (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>5/50 = 10.0% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>2/50 = 4.0% O2b1<BR/>7/50 = 14.0% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Vietnamese total (Hammer et al. 2005 + Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>6/120 = 5.0% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>4/120 = 3.3% O2b1<BR/>10/120 = 8.3% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Southern Tungusic:<BR/><BR/>Hezhe (Xue et al. 2006): <BR/>2/45 = 4.4% O2b*-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Manchu (Xue et al. 2006): 2/35 = 5.7% O2b*-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Manchu (Hammer et al. 2005): 2/52 = 3.8% O2b*-P49(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Manchu (Katoh et al. 2004): 34/101 = 33.7% O2b (Note the glaring discrepancy between the figures of Xue et al. 2006 and Hammer et al. 2005 on the one hand vs. Katoh et al. 2004 on the other in regard to the frequency of haplogroup O2b among Manchus.)<BR/><BR/>Manchurian (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>2/44 = 4.5% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>5/44 = 11.4% O2b1<BR/>7/44 = 15.9% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Xibe (Xue et al. 2006): 1/41 = 2.4% O2b*-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/><BR/>Southern Tungusic total: 48/318 = 15.1% O2b (all O2b*-SRY465(xO2b1-47z) except for Manchus)<BR/><BR/>Koreans:<BR/><BR/>Korean/China (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>5/25 = 20.0% O2b-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/>2/25 = 8.0% O2b1-47z<BR/>7/25 = 28.0% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Korean/Korea (Xue et al. 2006):<BR/>6/43 = 14.0% O2b-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/>6/43 = 14.0% O2b1-47z<BR/>12/43 = 27.9% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Korea (Hammer et al. 2005):<BR/>25/75 = 33.3% O2b-SRY465/P49(xO2b1-47z)<BR/>3/75 = 4.0% O2b1-47z<BR/>28/75 = 37.3% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Korean Chinese (Katoh et al. 2004):<BR/>38/79 = 48.1% O2b-SRY465<BR/><BR/>Korean (Katoh et al. 2004):<BR/>28/85 = 32.9% O2b-SRY465<BR/><BR/>Korean/normal controls (Wook Kim et al. 2007):<BR/>19/110 = 17.3% O2b-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/>10/110 = 9.1% O2b1-47z<BR/>29/110 = 26.4% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Korean/prostate cancer (Wook Kim et al. 2007):<BR/>18/106 = 17.0% O2b-SRY465(xO2b1-47z)<BR/>11/106 = 10.4% O2b1-47z<BR/>29/106 = 27.4% O2b total<BR/><BR/>Koreans (Han-Jun Jin et al. 2009):<BR/>22/154 = 14.3% O2b(xO2b1)<BR/>9/154 = 5.8% O2b1<BR/>31/154 = 20.1% O2b total<BR/>(Compare with Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003:<BR/>Koreans<BR/>22/160 = 13.8% O2b*(xO2b1)<BR/>9/160 = 5.6% O2b1<BR/>31/160 = 19.4% O2b total<BR/>For some reason, six non-O2b individuals have been removed from Han-Jun Jin's Korean sample between 2003 and 2009.)<BR/><BR/>Korean total (Hammer et al. 2005 + Xue et al. 2006 + Katoh et al. 2004 + Wook Kim et al. 2007 + Han-Jun Jin et al. 2009):<BR/>202/677 = 29.8% O2b<BR/><BR/>Japanese total (Hammer et al. 2005 + Xue et al. 2006 + Katoh et al. 2004 + Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003):<BR/>160/527 = 30.4% O2b<BR/><BR/>The numbers have varied significantly from one study to the next, especially in regard to the frequency of O2b among Manchus [3.8%-33.7%] and Koreans [19.4%-48.1%], but Japan seems to have the highest frequency of this haplogroup overall.<BR/>In descending order, from greatest to least frequency of haplogroup O2b:<BR/>Japan<BR/>Korea<BR/>Southern Tungusic (almost entirely due to the "Manchu" sample of Katoh et al. 2004 and the "Manchurian" sample of Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003)<BR/>Vietnamese (Mon-Khmer)<BR/>Austronesian (almost entirely due to Western Indonesians)<BR/>Tai-Kadai (entirely due to Thais)<BR/>Mongolic (almost entirely due to the "Uriankhai" and "Zakhchin" samples of Katoh et al. 2004, i.e. Oirat-speaking Western Mongolians)<BR/>Sinitic (entirely due to the "Beijing-Han" sample of Han-Jun Jin et al. 2003)<BR/>Northern Tungusic (only one instance: O2b*(xO2b1) appears as a singleton in the "Manchurian Evenk" sample of Hammer et al. 2005)<BR/><BR/>In any case, haplogroup O2b seems to have originated or at least primarily increased its frequency in the vicinity of the Sea of Japan, either in the Japanese-Ryukyuan archipelago or the Korean Peninsula, and dispersed from there recently, because its spread is not consistent with an ancient origin on continental East Asia (e.g., why should O2b be found in such high frequencies among some samples of Manchus, but very low frequencies among other samples of Manchus as well as the other Southern Tungusic-speaking Hezhe/Nanais and Xibe/Sibes, and be completely absent from all Northern Tungusic tribes outside of Manchuria, if it had originated among the prehistoric proto-Tungusic people? The only logical explanation is that O2b has entered some subgroups of the Southern Tungusic-speaking people very recently from Korea or Japan, and there is historical evidence for an influence from southwestern Japan ("Wa") to southern Korea ("Silla," "Baekje") and thence to Manchuria ("Goguryeo" > "Bohai" > "Manju"); cf. "Hogong," "origin myth of the Kim royal family of Silla," "Manzhou Yuanliu Kao (Investigations into the Source and Streams (=Origin and Development) of Manchu)", etc.). There is really no pre-modern historical evidence to bring to bear on the question of the source of haplogroup O2b in Southeast Asia.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-32392775385951498522009-01-21T21:10:00.000+02:002009-01-21T21:10:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37228666943758438702009-01-21T21:08:00.000+02:002009-01-21T21:08:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-60037803454820142642009-01-21T07:34:00.000+02:002009-01-21T07:34:00.000+02:00"My favorite girl friend (when I was stationed)in ..."My favorite girl friend (when I was stationed)in Korea came from the upper east coast area (Hamhung), as a child refugee. I wonder what her mt-haplogroup was."<BR/><BR/>Typical trash in Korea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-60053141357608942212009-01-21T04:32:00.000+02:002009-01-21T04:32:00.000+02:00By the way, Xue et al. (2006) have found haplogrou...By the way, Xue et al. (2006) have found haplogroup O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465) in the following samples:<BR/><BR/>Mongolic:<BR/>1/39 = 2.6% Daur<BR/>1/45 = 2.2% Inner Mongolian<BR/>1/65 = 1.5% Outer Mongolian<BR/><BR/>Northern Tungusic:<BR/>0/26 Ewenki<BR/>2/31 = 6.5% Oroqen<BR/><BR/>Southern Tungusic:<BR/>1/45 = 2.2% Hezhe<BR/>0/41 Xibe<BR/>3/35 = 8.6% Manchu<BR/><BR/>Korean:<BR/>1/25 = 4.0% Korean (China)<BR/>1/43 = 2.3% Korean (Korea)<BR/><BR/>Turkic:<BR/>0/31 Uygur (Urumqi)<BR/>0/39 Uygur (Yili)<BR/><BR/>Sinitic:<BR/>1/35 = 2.9% Hui (Chinese-speaking Muslims)<BR/>3/35 = 8.6% Han (Harbin, Heilongjiang)<BR/>3/32 = 9.4% Han (Yili, Xinjiang)<BR/>1/34 = 2.9% Han (Chengdu, Sichuan)<BR/>0/30 Han (Lanzhou, Gansu)<BR/>5/35 = 14.3% Han (Meixian, Guangdong)<BR/><BR/>Tibeto-Burman:<BR/>0/34 Hani<BR/>1/33 = 3.0% Qiang<BR/>0/35 Tibetans<BR/><BR/>Hmong-Mien/Miao-Yao:<BR/>0/34 She<BR/>13/35 = 37.1% Yao (Bama, Guangxi)<BR/>0/35 Yao (Liannan, Guangdong)<BR/><BR/>Japonic:<BR/>0/47 Japanese<BR/><BR/>Tai-Kadai:<BR/>0/35 Buyi<BR/>1/34 = 2.9% Li<BR/><BR/>The Yaos of Bama Yao Autonomous County (巴马瑶族自治县 <I>Bāmǎ Yáozú Zìzhìxiàn</I>) in the northwest of Guangxi have probably experienced a founder effect that has greatly increased the frequency of the O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465) lineage among them, because this haplogroup is not commonly found among other members of the Hmong-Mien AKA Miao-Yao language family.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-38619348866160651822009-01-21T01:59:00.000+02:002009-01-21T01:59:00.000+02:00South Central Haplo said... "Is there any study on...South Central Haplo said... <BR/>"Is there any study on O2b ratio in Japanese or Han Chinese."<BR/><BR/>What do you mean by "O2b ratio in Japanese or Han Chinese"?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, haplogroup O2b has not been found in any sample of Han Chinese for which a marker of haplogroup O2b has been tested. However, Hammer et al. (2005) have found haplogroup O2*-P31(xO2a-M95, O2b-SRY465/P49) in the following samples:<BR/><BR/>Korea: 2/75 = 2.7%<BR/>Northern Han: 2/44 = 4.5%<BR/>Manchu: 3/52 = 5.8%<BR/>Manchurian Evenk: 2/41 = 4.9%<BR/>Oroqen: 1/22 = 4.5%<BR/>Taiwan (non-aboriginal): 6/84 = 7.1%<BR/>Tujia: 2/49 = 4.1%<BR/>Yizu: 1/43 = 2.3%<BR/>Yao: 12/60 = 20.0%<BR/>Vietnam: 1/70 = 1.4%<BR/>Mongolia: 2/149 = 1.3%<BR/><BR/>Xue et al. (2006) have found haplogroup O2*(xO2a, O2b) in 12/166 = 7.2% of their Han Chinese samples, ranging from 0/30 in Lanzhou, Gansu to 5/35 = 14.3% in Meixian, Guangdong. Meixian (梅县, literally "(Japanese/Chinese/<I>Prunus mume</I>) plum county") is located in southeastern China, and is known as a center of <I>Hakka</I> AKA <I>Kejia</I> (客家, literally "guest houses/families") culture.<BR/><BR/>In regard to the Japanese and Okinawans, Hammer et al. (2005) have found haplogroup O2b-SRY465/P49(xO2b1-47z) in 20/255 = 7.8%, and haplogroup O2b1-47z in 57/255 = 22.4%, with the frequencies of O2b(xO2b1) and O2b1 being negatively correlated with each other (haplogroup O2b(xO2b1) was most frequent in Shizuoka (8/61 = 13.1%) and Okinawa (5/45 = 11.1%) and least frequent in Kyushu (2/53 = 3.8%) and Aomori (1/26 = 3.8%), whereas haplogroup O2b1 was most frequent in Kyushu (15/53 = 28.3%) and Aomori (7/26 = 26.9%)).<BR/><BR/>Xue et al. (2006) have found haplogroup O2b(xO2b1) in 2/47 = 4.3%, haplogroup O2b1 in 11/47 = 23.4%, and haplogroup O2a-M95(xO2a1-M88) in 2/47 = 4.3% of a sample of Japanese. Pooling the data of Hammer et al. (2005) and Xue et al. (2006) yields a ratio of 22 O2b(xO2b1) to 68 O2b1 in Japan, which is approximately a 1:3 ratio (22/68 = 32.4%).Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-24850817583298140052009-01-21T01:53:00.000+02:002009-01-21T01:53:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ebizurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925110639823856429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-33013713845236931522009-01-21T01:15:00.000+02:002009-01-21T01:15:00.000+02:00"Please give atleast one reason for for your belie..."Please give atleast one reason for for your belief". <BR/><BR/>We're arguing over at the post "Diversity with distance from Africa" I think it' called. It's certainly not worth doubling up. <BR/><BR/>"Is there any study on O2b ratio in Japanese or Han Chinese". <BR/><BR/>As far as I know there is very little O2b in China. However it is found in the Ryuku Islands.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29360984053262012252009-01-21T00:42:00.000+02:002009-01-21T00:42:00.000+02:00Is there any study on O2b ratio in Japanese or Han...Is there any study on O2b ratio in Japanese or Han Chinese.South Central Haplohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00916788636469000041noreply@blogger.com