tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post3931513867090628791..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: A physico-anthropological study of skeletal material from Neolithic age to Hellenistic times in Central Greece and surrounding regionDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-36119944844179241132012-07-26T08:14:26.512+03:002012-07-26T08:14:26.512+03:00It's interesting that modern Europeans (or &qu...It's interesting that modern Europeans (or "white people") came mostly from these Anatolian/Fertile Crescent peoples who created the first farming systems, monuments like Göbekli Tepe and settlements like Catal Höyuk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-68246917031487793092012-07-25T12:50:23.651+03:002012-07-25T12:50:23.651+03:00Perhaps what is meant is that Neanderthals impacte...Perhaps what is meant is that Neanderthals impacted on North Indian populations and South Indians were more likely to be affected by whatever the Denisovans were (erectus? other?).<br /><br />I have not seen any Neanderthals in India although they existed in Arabia nearby. I doubt they originated there as they seem to be evolved for extreme cold weather.<br /><br />Denisovans certainly came into contact with the population flowing east that became South East Asian, and the coast is the most likely place of contact. But where is a big open question.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37110111566446638662012-07-24T21:34:20.424+03:002012-07-24T21:34:20.424+03:00"...India is producing Iron for ~4000years.&q...<i>"...India is producing Iron for ~4000years."<br /><br />That fits my theory that Neanderthals arose in Northern India... Denisovans perhaps in Southern India.</i><br /><br />Seriously?Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-61845723708786878832012-07-24T21:32:07.370+03:002012-07-24T21:32:07.370+03:00"...India is producing Iron for ~4000years.&q..."...India is producing Iron for ~4000years."<br /><br />That fits my theory that Neanderthals arose in Northern India... Denisovans perhaps in Southern India.<br /><br />Hindus have also been practicing both burnt sacrifices and cremation of their dead for probably since long before they discovered the use of iron and other metals.<br /><br />It makes logical sense, if they were burning "gifts" to the 'gods', that they might stumble upon such knowledge. Maybe that's how pottery and ceramics were also developed, initially. They probably thought the chemical reactions were some kind of 'magic', too.shenandoahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09220865518565583662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26129113896675479342012-07-24T13:19:40.134+03:002012-07-24T13:19:40.134+03:00Dont know much of Bronze and Copper Age but India ...Dont know much of Bronze and Copper Age but India is producing Iron for ~4000years.<br />http://antiquity.ac.uk/projgall/tewari/tewari.pdf<br />BTW Iron is known as the starter of The Age of Man isn't it?.Nirjhar007https://www.blogger.com/profile/12880827026479135118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-42613467624735862982012-07-24T11:05:34.251+03:002012-07-24T11:05:34.251+03:00"Rich miners swanning down from the hills for..."Rich miners swanning down from the hills for a bit of Greek nightlife do not seem to fit the bill."<br /><br />Analogous to medieval masons maybe?Greyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13398462488549380796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-55321142959724369972012-07-24T01:52:53.075+03:002012-07-24T01:52:53.075+03:00Is the Roberts work the final word on Metallurgy s...Is the Roberts work the final word on Metallurgy spread?.<br /><br />Wars use better technology available but technology can not always lead to war. <br /><br />Bronze age did not lead to major wars in other parts of the world.<br />In a corner of the world it was used in war as a latest innovation.South Central Haplohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00916788636469000041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-23690059300583617282012-07-24T01:19:26.511+03:002012-07-24T01:19:26.511+03:00I would recommend that researchers check the broad...I would recommend that researchers check the broad-headed types for Neanderthal DNA admixtures.<br /><br />I also recommend that they make associated studies to learn how related female pelvis types correlate to skull types.<br /><br />One type of female pelvis (the platypelloid, or "archaic") had, or has, some difficulty delivering broadheaded infants. They often present(ed) breech, and / or cause(d) the death of mothers in childbirth (especially for first-borns); which tended to thin out the population of women with that sort of pelvic structure.shenandoahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09220865518565583662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7846460640852423352012-07-23T22:27:55.133+03:002012-07-23T22:27:55.133+03:00At a later date, we have the Chalybes (a people fr...<i>At a later date, we have the Chalybes (a people from Georgia-Transcuacasus general area) who invented ironworking, and who gave Greek its word for "steel"</i><br /><br />Do you know of any source for greek 'sideros'? As I understand it, if it was an original greek word the inicial 's' would have been replaced with an aspiration, so would be 'hideros'Antoni Jaumehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15816775501025660503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-14836912686695760432012-07-23T19:49:44.344+03:002012-07-23T19:49:44.344+03:00There are also the Idaean Dactyls who were credite...There are also the Idaean Dactyls who were credited with inventing metallurgy on Mt. Ida<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ida_(Turkey)<br /><br />I think it is quite likely that this is a remembrance of the people who brought metalworking across the Aegean.<br /><br />At a later date, we have the Chalybes (a people from Georgia-Transcuacasus general area) who invented ironworking, and who gave Greek its word for "steel".<br /><br />And there are also the Kabeiroi of Samothrace, associated with Hephaestus and metallurgy (http://www.ascsa.edu.gr/index.php/news/eventDetails/bronze-age-metallurgy-in-the-northeastern-aegean-a-case-study-of-mikro-voun/_Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-27253205740139182132012-07-23T19:03:42.079+03:002012-07-23T19:03:42.079+03:00Brachycephalic mountaineers immediately reminds me...Brachycephalic mountaineers immediately reminds me of Dwarven kind.<br /><br />Arent Dwarfs associated with mining and a metallurgy, superior to that of humans? Not only with Tolkiens dwarfs but also in real mythology.<br />And with large and round heads (seen from above).<br /><br />Maybe there is a connection. ;-DFantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-34813394400477853922012-07-23T14:24:03.717+03:002012-07-23T14:24:03.717+03:00All these are pre-medieval samples, so no "Sl...All these are pre-medieval samples, so no "Slav population expansion" here.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-26312285357981991912012-07-23T14:20:39.797+03:002012-07-23T14:20:39.797+03:00I am not fond of skull studies but ...
These (IMO...I am not fond of skull studies but ...<br /><br />These (IMO incomplete) maps of the spread of copper working do not match with the arrival of Brachycephalics in Greece from the Pindos mountains (border with Albania). Its the wrong direction. Arrival from Anatolia maybe, but I cant see any reason to believe that ancient Anatolians were significantly different from ancient Greeks in skull shape.<br /><br />This population moving into ancient Greece must have been drawn there (eg employment) or pushed there (population expansion or forced exodus). Rich miners swanning down from the hills for a bit of Greek nightlife do not seem to fit the bill.<br /><br />Is this maybe the Slav population expansion into Greece?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.com