tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post3204583549525516098..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Genome-wide analysis of population structure in the Finnish SaamiDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-90709155323268620992010-12-09T23:08:54.605+02:002010-12-09T23:08:54.605+02:00"As far as purity goes which Amerindians are ..."As far as purity goes which Amerindians are the least admixed? I doubt there are enough unmixed Amerindians in the whole of the Western Hemisphere to supply a decent sample of pure Amerindians."<br /><br />You don't need a very pure sample, because there is such a large phylogenetic gap between the admixed European and African populations, and the historical events given rise to the admixture are documented well enough, that the Amerindian component can be separated statistically with a high degree of confidence. Also, even a small pure Amerindian sample can add a great deal of power to resolution of the close calls statistically from the admixed population.<br /><br />The Ancesteral South Indian component in India that basically doesn't exist in an unadmixed form any more has been recontructed in a similar way with far less clarity about what the admixing Ancesteral North Indian component looked like and far less accurate historical documentation of the admixture process itself. In the Americas it is frequently possible to do things like determine the exact ethnic mix of non-Amerindians during the period of peak admixture from historic records.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-18770701016740987602010-12-09T17:36:33.965+02:002010-12-09T17:36:33.965+02:00"As far as purity goes which Amerindians are ..."As far as purity goes which Amerindians are the least admixed? I doubt there are enough unmixed Amerindians in the whole of the Western Hemisphere to supply a decent sample of pure Amerindians."<br /><br />I wouldn't be so skeptical. Just a couple of weeks ago I visited a Guarani village on the border between Argentina and Brazil, and they told me, anecdotally, that in the case of an outsider "marrying" a Guarani, the couple and their offspring tend not to stay around but move out into the "bigger world." Hence, there's a pretty good chance that whoever stays behind is - with all caveats - unadmixed.German Dziebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703679732205862495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-63392152020068116332010-12-09T12:28:48.802+02:002010-12-09T12:28:48.802+02:00I meaning was not to underline the purity but keep...I meaning was not to underline the purity but keep in mind where they live<br /><br />Norway 60000-100000<br />Sweden 15000<br />Finland 10000<br />Russia 2000<br /><br />We have not possibility the make any "purity check" and it would be anyway a stupid idea. All this science is on a very basic level and driven basically by personal opinions, so I see that we should have people tested where they mostly live to get reliable results.Maurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670078523265515878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71344814997869870622010-12-09T06:33:35.759+02:002010-12-09T06:33:35.759+02:00Rather than playing the which Saami is the least m...Rather than playing the which Saami is the least mixed and pure game, it would have been better to spend some extra money and obtain samples from all the people who call themselves Saami and have some sort of credibility as Saami among Saami. Don't restrict Saami to any country whether Norway, Sweden, Finland or Russia. I have seen Norwegian Saami that would make the grade as super Herrenfolk pure Nordics. Least admixed?<br /><br />Amerindians are close to Europeans, and as close as East Asians, but it would indeed have been better to use Siberian Asians as the check ethnic groups instead of Amerindians. As far as purity goes which Amerindians are the least admixed? I doubt there are enough unmixed Amerindians in the whole of the Western Hemisphere to supply a decent sample of pure Amerindians.<br /><br />My question is: Why use so few SNPs? It is evident from the differences between Dodecad 23andMe and FTDNA results that the larger sample used for 23andMe and their applicability to mainstream SNP genetic studies makes it more useful and accurate than those oddment SNPs chosen by FTDNA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-43445267844535102112010-12-08T22:06:18.826+02:002010-12-08T22:06:18.826+02:00They should have used Norwegian Saamis, because th...They should have used Norwegian Saamis, because the Saami population in Finland is tiny and heavily mixed with Finns. Norwegian Saamis are more numerous and less mixed.Maurihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03670078523265515878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-5958738416682891372010-12-08T21:16:24.771+02:002010-12-08T21:16:24.771+02:00"It is unfortunate that they included Native ..."It is unfortunate that they included Native American HGDP populations, but did not include the most relevant published data on Siberians that I first used to study population structure across north Eurasia here and here and here.<br /><br />Hence, they discover a "Native American"-like component in Saami, which in all likelihood can be further resolved into Siberian-specific components utilizing the Rasmussen et al. dataset."<br /><br />If you look at other cluster analyses such as Rosenberg et al. 2002, you'll see a Native American component (purple, especially in Surui and Karitiana, the least admixed of all world populations) in all world populations with declining frequencies from east to west. This study simply shows that in Saami this component is higher than in other Europeans, which is to be expected, as fringe populations retain more of the original genes (comp. the recent discovery of a Native American-related C1 mtDNa lineage in Iceland), while the mainland gets swept by later population movements (e.g., mtDNA U and H in Europe). They could've included Siberian data - true - but this wouldn't have change anything because Siberian populations tend to have the Native American component at higher frequencies than Europeans or Africans but not as high as Native Americans themselves. If Africans are said to be the first continental population to split off, Native Americans haven't "split off" at all.German Dziebelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10703679732205862495noreply@blogger.com