tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post2859350591247063216..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Turks to destroy the archaeological site of AllianoiDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-56302827645480647292011-12-28T23:54:32.291+02:002011-12-28T23:54:32.291+02:00This despite a concerted effort by archaeologists ...This despite a concerted effort by archaeologists and preservationists, who fought hard to save the site. But I suppose in Turkey you can’t build anything without destroying a dozen archaeological sites that somebody thinks are important. Allianoi is being covered in plastic and sand, so that when, in a few centuries, it emerges from the waves again, it will be pretty much the way it is now. to:http://www.turkeyarchaeologysites.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04794307531175268326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-9516526692430272562010-10-07T01:07:08.688+03:002010-10-07T01:07:08.688+03:00Conroy, you are making the same Orientalistic mist...Conroy, you are making the same Orientalistic mistake with Dieneke: reading into people's intentions. What the Turkish gov. officials are doing is barbarism by modern standards, but we don't know their true intentions with any certitude, so we shouldn't automatically ascribe their barbaric behavior to rejection or indifference to their own heritage.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-91594322529437035242010-10-06T22:41:41.546+03:002010-10-06T22:41:41.546+03:00Of course the sad part about all this, is that thi...Of course the sad part about all this, is that this site is actually part of their own heritage - as "Turks" from this region are largely descendants of Greeks :(pconroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10312469574812832771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-65483202522629135362010-10-03T13:16:14.043+03:002010-10-03T13:16:14.043+03:00It is up to them to act like civilized people or l...<i>It is up to them to act like civilized people or like occupiers.</i><br /><br />I think instead of reading into people's intentions, which we cannot know with any certitude, we should focus on actions and judge people by them.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-72329822964129329732010-10-03T11:41:26.533+03:002010-10-03T11:41:26.533+03:00I am 100% against this cultural vandalism by Turke...<i>I am 100% against this cultural vandalism by Turkey, but the "occupied Asia Minor" bit was the kind of childish right-wing Greek nonsense that has no place on a site which does serious science. </i><br /><br />Fortune gave the Turks custodianship over the enormous archaeological and historical heritage of Asia Minor. It is up to them to act like civilized people or like occupiers.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29089871816175406982010-10-03T11:07:05.514+03:002010-10-03T11:07:05.514+03:00I am 100% against this cultural vandalism by Turke...I am 100% against this cultural vandalism by Turkey, but the "occupied Asia Minor" bit was the kind of childish right-wing Greek nonsense that has no place on a site which does serious science. <br /><br />You've let yourself and your readers down. That's the problem with nationalism, it corrupts and cheapens everything it touches.Belenoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15576215104931708232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-63479058489732992232010-10-03T04:03:03.390+03:002010-10-03T04:03:03.390+03:00Ah, hellenistic chauvinism rears its ugly head aga...Ah, hellenistic chauvinism rears its ugly head again. The reference to "occupied Asia Minor" harkens back to the times when the proto-fascist "megali idea" animated Greek foreign policy. If we read the source article with integrity, we can see that Turkish archaeologists are upset as well about the flooding of the site, while the local farmers are more interested in what happens to their crops. This is an old story in the mediterranean basin, cultural conservation efforts pitted against perceived threats to economic progress. Turkish governments have been prominent in the research of and the preservation of remains of the multitude of civilizations that have called "Asia Minor" home.formerjerseyboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12359486237718341127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-4411979259523988572010-10-03T00:25:35.449+03:002010-10-03T00:25:35.449+03:00I don't care about what the Turkish government...I don't care about what the Turkish government officials or Islamists think about history or about what Dieneke calls Turkey. What is really important here is that the action of the Turkish government officials is an unacceptable and indefensible barbarism irrespective of intentions.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-28421020979198301532010-10-02T18:56:56.288+03:002010-10-02T18:56:56.288+03:00The decision to flood this important archaeologica...The decision to flood this important archaeological has as much to do with the immediate needs of the local farmers and declining local water supplies, as it does their lack of interest in history.<br /><br />Dams all over the world have flooded important archaeological sites, including in North America. For example, the Crystal Springs reservoir which is part of the water system for San Francisco, flooded an American Indian archaeological site.<br /><br />There's some information on youtube. Search Allianoi. It's a Turkish archaeologist who is speaking out on saving the site.<br /><br />Providing the local farmers with an alternative water supply would go a long way toward saving Allianoi. Making incendiary comments about "taffy yanking Turks" isn't going to accomplish anything.Marniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10850856778953207810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-7373739889993097282010-10-02T16:46:41.331+03:002010-10-02T16:46:41.331+03:00[correct: occupied Asia Minor]
I knew that Muslim...[correct: occupied Asia Minor] <br />I knew that Muslims hated modern civilization, but I did not know that they hated ancient ones as well. <br /><br />There is no thing as occupied Asia Minor!!!<br />Could we also write "occupied Greece"(since Greece was under Byzantine then Ottoman yoke)<br />stop of OT(but I can read dozens of pages)<br />We are all human beings brothers and sisters and did not choose our language, religion, country, raceetc and all our differences are our richness that belong to allof us in reality...<br /><br />You could not say that muslims hate modern/ancient civilisation(and that's not true in reality), this is an absurd illogical claim and islam and muslims have nothing to do with this news.<br /><br />We dont know if this site is really Allianoi site, but what should be said is THAT SITE WILL BE PRESERVED BY SPECIAL CONSTRUCTION SO THAT IT REMAINS INTACT and after the dam activity will end 20-30 years later, the protection buildings will be removed and the site reopened again.<br /><br />PLEASE REMEMBER WHAT EGYPT HAS DONE WHEN BUILDING ASSWAN DAM and be objective and neutral.<br /><br />for the sake of democracy and truth please post my commentashrafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02590059778590185827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71829705166337695602010-10-02T02:03:59.075+03:002010-10-02T02:03:59.075+03:00I knew that Muslims hated modern civilization, but...I knew that Muslims hated modern civilization, but I did not know that they hated ancient ones as well.Average Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12203996329459638052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-8344392207578944172010-10-02T00:08:46.278+03:002010-10-02T00:08:46.278+03:00The Turkish government officials have no excuse fo...The Turkish government officials have no excuse for this modern form of barbarism. They <b>must</b> be stopped!Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.com