tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post2703898932746988224..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Horse Y chromosomesDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-71798381807132960632013-04-26T08:03:32.416+03:002013-04-26T08:03:32.416+03:00Did they test farther east than Anatolia? Past DNA...Did they test farther east than Anatolia? Past DNA studies have shown Iran to be a genetic refuge during the Holocene. I'd guess Mongolian horses to have interesting results as well. Shayanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07079111794180941158noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-5838986281874686872013-04-23T20:45:21.334+03:002013-04-23T20:45:21.334+03:00Eclipse is not the source of the spread of HT3. Al...Eclipse is not the source of the spread of HT3. All of his descendants sampled trace through either his son King Fergus or his son Pot8os. The descendants of King Fergus were all HT2. The descendants of Pot8os were all HT3 but their most recent common ancestor in sire line is Pot8os' grandson Whalebone. The actual source of the spread of HT3 could be either of them, or Whalebone's sire Waxy. <br /><br />For more information on Thoroughbred mitochondrial DNA see: <br />http://www.bloodlines.net/TB/PedigreeMatters/Fams/EquineGeneticGenealogy.htmJDBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09997871602396305809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-31435294147550481182013-04-10T03:09:03.418+03:002013-04-10T03:09:03.418+03:00This paper is a nice cautionary lesson on understa...This paper is a nice cautionary lesson on understanding the breeding of domesticated animals.<br /><br />All the modern domesticated horses are descended from arabian horses on the male line. Whereas arabians have a long history (~2,500 BCE) they are believed to have only started to permeate Europe during the crusades, about 1000 years ago.<br /><br />Eclipse died in in 1789 and is the source of the spread of red major group HT3. Less than 300 years ago, but a a major chunk of the horse population is descended from his line.<br /><br />We know this because we have the written histories. Without the written histories it would look like the domesticated horse originated in Arabia and there was an very early major expansion out of the British isles. This is rubbish of course.<br /><br />Plus the diversity of species in places that control horse breed ing is always going to be a lot lower than places that dont, precisely because of effects like the above. In using total diversity data we have to compare essentially undisturbed wild populations to similar wild populations, which is not possible for any area that has bred horses in the present or past.<br /><br />This has particular effect on understanding the domestication history of food species, draft species and companion/cohunter/sacred species like the dog and cat. <br /><br />Mitochondrial DNA is less distortable but still problematic.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11000684388615334278noreply@blogger.com