tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post2357036826256853148..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Arabian GenealogyDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-74300777797741843922015-02-21T17:12:52.344+02:002015-02-21T17:12:52.344+02:00So many people in the Muslim world claim descent ...So many people in the Muslim world claim descent from prophet Muhammed in order to enhance their prestige. <br /><br />How can one objectively reconstruct Arab genealogy when so much social/political status comes from belonging to a particular one of its branches? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611750421414606648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-35178255003368820322014-11-27T12:16:22.806+02:002014-11-27T12:16:22.806+02:00J1 is a Middle Eastern haplogroup, which probably ...J1 is a Middle Eastern haplogroup, which probably originated in eastern Anatolia, near Lake Van in central Kurdistan. Eastern Anatolia being theregion where goats, sheep and cattle were first domesticated in the Middle East, haplogroup J1 is almost certainly linked to the expansion of pastoralist lifestyle throughout the Middle East and Europe. J1 can be divided in two main groups: the J1c3 (P58) subclade, and the other forms of J1 (J1*, J1a, J1b, J1c1 and J1c2).<br /><br />J1c3 (J-P58) is by far the most widespread subclade of J1. It is a typically Abrahamic haplogroup, making up most of the population of the Arabian peninsula, where it accounts for approximately 40% t 75% of male lineages <br /><br />J-P58 (j1c3) is also the Cohen Modal Haplotype.<br /><br />J1c3d which common among people who are descended from Arab Adnani which Prophet Muhammad was apart of. <br /><br />The DNA science has proved that the real and true Arabs " Ishmaelis" and true Judahites "Isaacs" belong to the Haplogroup J1c3d.<br /> Ishmaelis and Isaacs are related to each other scientifically , so Science and History support each other ( no more myth from now and onward ).<br /><br />Therefore the DNA science identified and proved that so many Jews , Christians and Muslims are cousins and belong to one father and one Haplogroup J1c3d ( Abrahamic Haplogroup ).<br /> Any Jew or Christian or Muslim dosen't have HP J1c3d he is not a descendant of Abraham .<br /> We have to distinguish between the terms Arabs /Jews and descendants of Abraham ( not All Arabs are seed of Ishmael and not all Jews are seed of Isaac ).Shamsuddeen. A. P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17165484567792507617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-81689916424540111582009-04-05T08:15:00.000+03:002009-04-05T08:15:00.000+03:00For a change I largely agree with Ponto: mythic an...For a change I largely agree with Ponto: mythic ancestry should not be considered anything real, all tribes around the world have mythic ancestors who either did not exist at all or are just semi-mythical heroes that have been adopted as ancestors because they give prestige. <BR/><BR/>Another thing would be dwelling in the actual historical genealogies, that in some cases may go back many centuries, and contrast that with Y-DNA. That can illustrate our knowledge of genetics, as well as of the truth and falsehoods of genealogies.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-29115456801516569012009-04-05T03:30:00.000+03:002009-04-05T03:30:00.000+03:00Those Arabian lines of descent are a load of horse...Those Arabian lines of descent are a load of horse pukey. They are based on the pan Semitic beliefs on the Flood and descent from Noah. Just religion, that is all those male lines come from Noah through Shem. Those Qahtanites are from Joktan in the Christian sense and Adnanites through Eber and Ishmael and his 12 sons. If you believe that then Abraham was asked to sacrifice Ishmael not Isaac, the angel Gabriel visited Muhammad in a cave, and that Jesus was a prophet and not God made flesh. The Arabians had odd ideas about their origins as did the tribes of Israel and Judah. The Australian Aborigines believe they were created in Australia not from OOA humans and by the Rainbow serpent. Same difference with these Arabians, all religious dogma.<BR/><BR/>You should know that most Arabians are not J1 or even J2 and that J1 is not exclusive to the descendants of Ali, Muhammad's paternal cousin who married his daughter Fatima. The Muhammad line covers a number of haplogroups, it is hard to prove who really descends from Ali and Fatima.<BR/><BR/>I am J1 myself, I am European, no Jews or Arabians in my line, and my J1 is separated by many thousands of years from Jews or Arabians. I have 578=7, the only J1 out of the many I have seen including those in the J haplogroup project on FTDNA or the Arabian group or any Jewish groups. All the rest of the J1s are 578=8. I also am the only J1 who has 607=8 when the modal is 14.<BR/><BR/>Arabian J1 is derivative of Levantine J1 and dates to the Neolithic.<BR/><BR/>I dislike the way the Semites, Jews and Arabians have taken over J1 and filled it with religious BS, Abraham, Cohens and the like. It is just a haplogroup about 24 kya, nothing to do with either Semite group except it is present in Jews and common in Arabians. One thing I have learnt about both groups is that they have a large capacity for exaggeration and dissembling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com