tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post2129413410813497853..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Comparing five methods of admixture estimationDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-47665013871310870612011-05-03T04:18:22.969+03:002011-05-03T04:18:22.969+03:00Not really.
Because those "Jews" claim ...<i>Not really.<br /><br />Because those "Jews" claim membership in all 12 tribes.<br /><br />At least I know Jews who claim to be from Levi, for ecample.<br /><br />But Judah was only 2 tribes: Juda and Benjamin. Not Levi.<br /><br />Also, Judah was destroid, so they actually attracted the wrath of god. Maybe because they where mixed too? ;)</i><br /><br />No, according to the Biblical account, the Kingdom of Judah comprised 4 tribes, not 2: Judah, Benjamin, Simeon and the part of Levi that stayed in the Kingdom of Judah.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-15979838178580821482011-05-02T22:06:57.730+03:002011-05-02T22:06:57.730+03:00"Are there Jews who claim descent from the ot..."Are there Jews who claim descent from the other tribes?"<br /><br />I read that there are some Jews in Jemen and southern Arabia who claim themselfs the last survivors of the 10 northern tribes.<br /><br />Of course, anyone can claim anything. After all the "Thule society" (occult Proto-Nazis) claimed the Germanic peoples as the last survivors of Atlantis.<br />And the Franks claimed themselfs to be the last survivors of Troy...<br /><br />Like the Ashkenazi who claim to be Levites. The Ashkenazi "Levites" are 50% R1a1 and believed to be descants of the kingdom of Kaszhar instead of "real" Jews.Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-58644317076206502592011-05-02T20:08:07.132+03:002011-05-02T20:08:07.132+03:00At least I know Jews who claim to be from Levi, fo...<i>At least I know Jews who claim to be from Levi, for ecample.</i><br /><br />Well, Levites and Priests claim descent from the tribe of Levi, and these were distributed in both kingdoms as only they could hold their hereditary offices?<br /><br />Are there Jews who claim descent from the other tribes?Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-81381605399365248432011-05-02T17:57:07.597+03:002011-05-02T17:57:07.597+03:00"Isn't it obvious that 'Jews' cou..."Isn't it obvious that 'Jews' could only come from 'Judah'?"<br /><br />Not really.<br /><br />Because those "Jews" claim membership in all 12 tribes.<br /><br />At least I know Jews who claim to be from Levi, for ecample.<br /><br />But Judah was only 2 tribes: Juda and Benjamin. Not Levi.<br /><br />Also, Judah was destroid, so they actually attracted the wrath of god. Maybe because they where mixed too? ;)Fantyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07969348276219179258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-89946821045489441802011-05-02T13:18:44.933+03:002011-05-02T13:18:44.933+03:00Even if you think the story of the Exodus has some...<i>Even if you think the story of the Exodus has some historical element, it seems obvious from archaeology in Israel that the vast majority of "Jews" were actually the descendants of Cananites...who also may have mixed with people coming from the North or elsewhere (see Israel Finkelstein's work, by no means a Biblical Minimalist)</i><br /><br />It's not entirely clear to me that material culture can track the movement of populations. <br /><br />Take American Jews for example. How different are they really in their material culture from non-Jewish Americans? Or, the same for any of the other ethnic groups that live in the US?<br /><br />Or, take the inventory of peoples from the Ancient Near East. We literally know the names of hundreds of now forgotten peoples, but only a few imperial ones (say the Persians, the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Arabs and a few more) have a presence that can be readily identified by material culture.Dienekeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-24859999821857765402011-05-02T06:26:36.588+03:002011-05-02T06:26:36.588+03:00"The southern tribes (Kingdom of Juda)saw the..."The southern tribes (Kingdom of Juda)saw themselfs as the only one true "Jews", by bloodline and culture". <br /><br />Isn't it obvious that 'Jews' could only come from 'Judah'? <br /><br />"The whole story of purity was more a way to deal with the stream of refugees coming from the North to the South after Israel was completely invaded" <br /><br />That's the way Finkelstein sees it, and it makes sense to me. <br /><br />"What the priests from the South did was to compose a narrative whereby their power in Jerusalem was seen as 'the only true thing'" <br /><br />And those same priests found a scroll that gave them even more power (surprise, surprise).terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-38813727381668134252011-05-01T02:26:04.597+03:002011-05-01T02:26:04.597+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-20198541452773961162011-04-30T10:35:16.038+03:002011-04-30T10:35:16.038+03:00Well, I don't think so, it is not about Israel...Well, I don't think so, it is not about Israelites, but about all. It is a myth the South was so pure. The whole story of purity was more a way to deal with the stream of refugees coming from the North to the South after Israel was completely invaded (not that the South was very independent either). Archaeologists have found plenty of evidence that in the South there was nothing of this purity, but for avoiding pork. There were until very late all kinds of figures from different gods and there were altars in every hill, the Jews evolved from the tribes there for many centuries and they probably got influx from North and South. What the priests from the South did was to compose a narrative whereby their power in Jerusalem was seen as "the only true thing" and the house of their king the only true descendant of David.<br />Check <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Unearthed" rel="nofollow">Finkelstein's</a> view, which is fairly standard already.<br /><br />I understand a project is being carried out by the University of Tel Aviv where also DNA analysis on ancient bones will play a role. I hope for the sake of science the project is conducted in a "kosher" way. It could help us unveal quite some links.Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-47150161541881629822011-04-30T01:45:38.267+03:002011-04-30T01:45:38.267+03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-3078796204469270332011-04-29T16:06:58.575+03:002011-04-29T16:06:58.575+03:00"A doubling of the admixture date for Jewish ..."A doubling of the admixture date for Jewish populations, as presented by Moorjani et al. would bring that admixture's age to the middle of the 2nd millennium BC, a period in which the Hebrews were said to be in Egypt, where potentially they may have collectively acquired a small African admixture. "<br /><br />Dienekes,<br />Even if you think the story of the Exodus has some historical element, it seems obvious from archaeology in Israel that the vast majority of "Jews" were actually the descendants of Cananites...who also may have mixed with people coming from the North or elsewhere (see Israel Finkelstein's work, by no means a Biblical Minimalist)Keplerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11125538872924743270noreply@blogger.com