tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post1321369833793007429..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Early modern humans in Europe (Bohunician, Proto-Aurignacian, Aurignacian)Dienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-14840035000766631762009-07-22T16:56:42.769+03:002009-07-22T16:56:42.769+03:00It may be hard to admit but TRMCA estimates may be...It may be hard to admit but TRMCA estimates may be just wishful thinking. <br /><br />I don't know what "haplogroup found among Basques" you mean but, if it's mtDNA H, it seems at least of Gravettian age (found in aDNA of Italy and Morocco, the latter in apportions almost identical to current local dwellers). <br /><br />If you mean Y-DNA R1b1b2(-a1), there has been no such aDNA reseach but one thing is clear: there is absolutely no post-Paleolithic culture that could account for such a homogeneously dominant spread through all that area, so it must be at most Epipaleolithic. <br /><br />You have to undestand that TRMCA is just the product of equations, where many of the variables you need to fill in before you get a result are just mere guesses. The results, if properly done, could be at most indicative, suggestive, but never evidence of anything. <br /><br />Of course TRMCA methods have never been proven, like C14 or thermoluminiscence have. So you should take them with loads of salt or, as I do, just pass and go direct for the dessert.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-2625114118199871822009-07-22T14:13:50.791+03:002009-07-22T14:13:50.791+03:00How do you know that? You are very imaginative.
T...How do you know that? You are very imaginative.<br /><br />The articles are dealing with the remains of things made by humans of some type not necessarily like us, not haplogroups. In Europe most haplogroups were probably introduced after the period when Europe began to thaw out. The ages of those haplogroups is often times much older to their introduction into Europe from an eastern source, eg mtDNA U.<br /><br />It may be hard to accept but Europeans are a young breed of humans no matter how old or what manner of humans created various tools or cultures. Most haplogroups in Europe today owe more to the I.E speaking groups than to any previous humans whether neanderthal or allegedly anatomically modern humans of 45 kya. The haplogroup found in Basque men is about 4 kya, much older than the Basque ethnicity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-91272753241824992702009-07-08T23:36:42.307+03:002009-07-08T23:36:42.307+03:00E1b1b is more recent in Europe than that no matter...E1b1b is more recent in Europe than that no matter how you look at it. You may want to associate them with I if you really need to find such kind of association. But not E, not until at least Epipaleolithic.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-39050824909544184742009-07-08T23:31:59.981+03:002009-07-08T23:31:59.981+03:00Shouldnt these people be associated with E3b/YAP? ...Shouldnt these people be associated with E3b/YAP? Its the oldest follows that Near Eastern to Southwestern European route nicely. <br /><br />The R1b myth from the forums is rather played out.Crimson Guardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08259882884691575025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-37371472734951463882009-07-08T00:15:11.706+03:002009-07-08T00:15:11.706+03:00It's an interesting review, thanks.
Somehow ...It's an interesting review, thanks. <br /><br />Somehow it seems logical to me that if AMHs could displace Neanderthals in West and Central Eurasia by Emirian times, there is no reason why they should not be doing the same in Europe immediately after, except maybe the climatic one. <br /><br />On the other hand, yes, the evidence is inconclusive. <br /><br />The difference anyhow is not as extreme as you seem to remark in the post. It'd be only a matter of a few thousand years earlier in the most optimistic scenario and, in any case, I think that there are reasons (mostly genetic) to understand that the colonization of Australasia and East Asia began earlier than that of West Eurasia. <br /><br />IMO the colonization of West Eurasia, that implied facing the very strong and intelligent Neanderthals, was surely largely the product of the exhaustion of the eastern migratory route (surely saturated by then), what forced the, seemingly expansive, South Asian population to take the western route instead.Majuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12369840391933337204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-18896218682422656592009-07-07T22:26:47.661+03:002009-07-07T22:26:47.661+03:00Thanks for posting these.Thanks for posting these.Tim Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04348172781757483036noreply@blogger.com