tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post1043544217473766997..comments2024-01-04T04:11:55.717+02:00Comments on Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Chris Stringer on the status of Homo heidelbergensisDienekeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02082684850093948970noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-33220341812407979482012-06-14T06:38:37.899+03:002012-06-14T06:38:37.899+03:00"We'll see when his new paper is publishe..."We'll see when his new paper is published". <br /><br />Yes, and I'd be surprised if there can then be any argument about heidelbergensis being anything other than a common ancestor to both moderns and Neanderthals, as well as Denisovans. <br /><br />"I thought there was some agreement that ~350 - 150 ky is a transition time in Europe from heidelbergensis to Neanderthal, due to climatic isolation (while heidelbergensis may have continued less changed in Asia)". <br /><br />Neanderthals in the strict sense probably evolved gradually over the period ~350 - 150 ky, but heidelbergensis is older than 350k. Before that time I suspect we cannot correctly call anything 'Neanderthal' because it shared the habitat with individuals who didn't look particularly Neanderthal. If we are prepare to accept 'Neanderthal' for particular individuals we would be forced to accept that there were at least two separate species living in Europe at the time.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-88273357502755844582012-06-13T19:21:44.365+03:002012-06-13T19:21:44.365+03:00I think erectus is the common ancestor and heidelb...<i>I think erectus is the common ancestor and heidelbergensis a branch to neandertals only. Stringer is picking the data to fit his model.</i><br /><br />We'll see when his new paper is published.Onur Dincerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05041378853428912894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-77032769160243129342012-06-13T17:20:48.610+03:002012-06-13T17:20:48.610+03:00I think erectus is the common ancestor and heidelb...I think erectus is the common ancestor and heidelbergensis a branch to neandertals only. Stringer is picking the data to fit his model.Beastmanagerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11609302172726820503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-42675235681263657402012-06-13T07:21:02.283+03:002012-06-13T07:21:02.283+03:00The 600,000 years old date is a bit weird, given t...The 600,000 years old date is a bit weird, given that the fossils were originally thought to be 300 - 400ky old. As to the species, I thought there was some agreement that ~350 - 150 ky is a transition time in Europe from heidelbergensis to Neanderthal, due to climatic isolation (while heidelbergensis may have continued less changed in Asia). It's not really a surprise that the fossils would show some Neanderthal features - the real question is where they are located within the spectrum.eurologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03440019181278830033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7785493.post-63336366417742186682012-06-13T06:22:04.139+03:002012-06-13T06:22:04.139+03:00From the link:
"Both morphological and gene...From the link: <br /><br />"Both morphological and genetic studies have suggested that Neanderthals and modern humans began to branch away from each other about 400,000 years ago". <br /><br />I know that some will disagree with this comment, but most accept the separation to be half a million years, plus or minus. <br /><br />"They believed that heidelbergensis was a widespread species, which in Africa gave rise to H. sapiens, and in Europe and Asia gave rise to the Neanderthals". <br /><br />That is what I have presumed for some time. Some may be interested in what I wrote in an essay on heidelbergensis some years back: <br /><br />http://humanevolutionontrial.blogspot.co.nz/2009/06/human-evolution-on-trial-species-or-not.html<br /><br />I would now change some ideas in the essay but most has been subsequently shown as being correct.terrythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17327062321100035888noreply@blogger.com